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I was wondering if any of you guys go out of body, controlled or not, and if the experience may have any effect on your other psi skills. I want to experiment with training PK while out of body. I have many broken up/forgoten memories of being taught PK in my sleep from toddler years till now. I wonder if this explains feeling like pk is something that I'm supposed to do. I've heard others describe feeling this way as well, and it makes me wonder if it something everyone forgets how to do.

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I thought I should post something about having OBEs since I like to talk about it, or incase anyone is interested and would like some info.

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http://www.crystalinks.com/astralprojection.html

An interesting interview concerning OBE benefits 1 of 11:



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I have an obe memory from childhood however I have learned through pk training that awareness is not limited to the body. One can become the energy object etc it is just a different feedback to the typical 5 senses our brain tries to associate these experiences to known sensoy experiences it feels like sometimes.

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Yeah, PK has expanded my awareness considerably:) Also, though I had lots of OBEs in my life; I never had control of when they happened for the most part. The act of PK training not only has triggered more frequent OBE experiences, but has developed my ability to focus to where going out of body is becoming simply a matter of wanting to do it. I did not imagine when I started PK training, that the benefits would be so full & rich. Though, I suppose I could say that about many of the things I've done in life, especially martial arts. When I started my martial arts training at 11 years old, I just wanted to be like the film characters, lol. I had no idea back then of the greater benefits:)

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Watched those videos earlier, very interesting stuff, to be honest I didnt know too much about it . I had only read somewhere years ago the sort of fear based thinking that if you leave your body an evil entity could take it over, judging from what this guy said you are producing what you see anyway so if you are frightened the you will see frightening things, but if you are positive then a beautiful path could open up b4 you.
I must get in contact with a guy who was staying in the same hostel as me when I was in New Zealand, he cycled around south America for a year and took some of the Auhausker plant with a Shamen I think in Peru. Some of the things he told me seem to be included in these videos. I also remember him saying the wind is my friend now "when I call her she comes"   This was b4 I discovered PK and I just thought its the drugs, but the wind seems to be friends with all of us now dosn't it!

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Yes I seem to have a relationship with the wind to :) Or at least the energy that utilizes it.

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I have been wondering about whether I might be using wind/air as a kind of leverage to enhance a more fundamental energy. I wonder if sometimes if it might be akin to relying on hands in early psi_wheel practices. Most of the time though I just have fun visualizing air as a medium to work with like watercolor or oil paints. Whenever I see a rain puddle, I tap it with my mind to make ripples which is fun practice. I also like to make air constructs to help me feel lighter when climbing stairs or carrying something heavy:)

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I have noticed that I am manipulating air currents and wind all the time for Pk now, which is great, but maybe I should start training to do a psi wheel under glass, so i am not relying on wind all the time.  When training stasis field I have had alot of fun redirecting air from the fan to a vertical standing piece of A4 paper and turning it round 360 degrees without it falling over, the piece of paper looks like its alivebiggrin

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It would be a shame to deny your apptitude. What if mastering wind is a foundational skill that makes other PK skills easier? My PK strength & control is steadily improving through air training. Parallel development, meaning ability with other elements seems to be getting stronger as well. After mastering stasis, perhaps work on controling air forces in various ways. If you can do all the stuff in this video with your mind...imagine what else you could do:)

Some possible air pressure applications



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Yeah you are right,  I think I am going to embrace this, like the psi wheel is my foundations, the wind could be the first floor!  I think I am going to do more training with the fan on speed 1 in the centre of the room and place pieces of paper 360 degrees around the room and push each one over by directing the air from the fan.
Hows the OBE training going ?

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Wow, the 360 thing is a good Idea! I have done something similar with the fan pointed the opposite direction from other objects. For OBE, I got to the sleep paralysis stage yesterday, but for got to turn off my phone & my girlfriend interupted. Though, interestingly, she asked me to work on spontaneous psi communications with her. So while I was remote viewing her apratment earlier that afternoon without mentioning my plans, her chi became hyperactive around the time of my psi-visit. I am going to focus on going out of body tonight, and try to move something. When I get better at this I'll start recording my OBE/PK sessions.

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...slowly I learned that it was my expectation of reality that often needed reappraisal. I made several startling observations. First, we assume that our physical surroundings are the stable and firm basis of reality. We view density and form as the ultimate test of real. But what if we are wrong in our assumptions? What if reality is completely relative to the vibratory rate of the observer?

- William Buhlman, Journeys Beyond the Body


If I didn't know the author was describing his OBE observations; I might think he was talking about Psychokinesis:)

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I agree with Treasure Hunter. I think that when one is able to alter objects directly without the air medium, they will inherently be able to manipulate air as well. However, perhaps the same could be done through practicing with air first?

I used to practice OBE-s a while ago, but it started to happen randomly. While attempting to levitate myself, I succeeded in flying upwards, but without my body hmm. The problem was that with PK on regular objects, I usually don't feel weight or density. I had to visualize the feeling of material density in order to keep myself in my body, but this made it more difficult to visualize the feeling of being lifted. Haven't succeeded yet.

My father said that he feels slightly out of his body when doing PK. It put me thinking that it could lessen the effect of ego and boost one's ability to concentrate. Haven't tried it though.



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I really like the air pressure demo in the video. Why would you want to affect the object without utilizing all the available kinetic energy (such as the energy moving through air) This would require a complex vacuum system which would never be used in a real world situation.

If you are referring to affecting kinetic energy or generating it one must be versatile and allow the higher mind to orchestrate the events necessary for pk activity. There are ways to learn to use different mediums learning to generate a pk potential in a jar or build pk momentum is a very different technique to directing available kinetic energy through a medium be it air or water.

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I am taking real notice of the wind now. today while sweeping some grain up in a barn it was quite breezy outside but not in the direction to blow straight in the barn. There was an old plastic bag in the corner so I put this out on the floor taking note of its behaviour and not trying to influence it. It didnt get blown around just twitched a bit in the air currents. So now I layed some intention on it and anticipated the wind coming into the barn and visualised it being blown across the floor, more air began to come into the barn fairly soon and twitched the bag and moved it a little. After a bit more focuss and anticipation a more noticable gust came into the barn, it was visual too because it was kicking up the dust from where the grain had been I watched it come through the door move diagnolly across the floor to the bag and rolling it like a rolling pin to the back wall, repeated several movements of the bag even keeping it in front of my broom when moving it along the floor.  It feels good to be doing things outside with everyday items, quite liberating I think

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I know what you mean. I was waiting for someone today in my car in the hot Australian sun sweating. I rolled down the windows reached out with my intention and connective feel and leaned into the stearing wheel and a sweet cool breeze blew strongly through the windows and accross my sweaty back  I was very greatful. YOu must understand it was not windy at all before this where  Iwas located the wind seemed to pick up...


-- Edited by Shirak on Tuesday 17th of August 2010 09:07:19 AM

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I think I may be just shifting the wind which is there at the moment rather than creating it. Will have to try on a calm day.

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I had one of those funny OBE experiences at around 4am, where I was partially stuck to my body and part way out. My legs were out from the knees down which was really weird. It's happened to me from the waist up before in the past, usually when I've been really tired. I will go for it again tonight and tomorrow afternoon, since I will get off work early. As with PK, daily practice is key:)

One of my goals for OBE training as it relates to PK, is to practice with the vibrations stage that happens just before body exit. The vibrations feel very much like chi feelings, except multiply it by like a 1000. So, along with OBE explorations, I want to experiment with, harnessing this level of vibration for PK use.



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I awoke early this morning to find myself hovering above my body! It has been awhile since my awareness has been so clear while out; very surreal. Unfortunately, I became excited and popped back into my body very soon after, without really getting to explore. After I was back inside, I knew I was still in an altered state and tried going out again, but was strangely only able to manage some kind of bi-location, or consciousness split. I had heard of this before, but it was a 1st for me. It was like being in two places at once; weird! Interestingly, the bi-located feeling was a lot like the PK mindset, but more lucid. It didn't last that long, but next time I hope to have the pressence of mind to attempt moving something Psychokineticly:)

-- Edited by owltwelve on Tuesday 31st of August 2010 01:41:37 AM

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biggrin Wow, cool.

I experienced the vibrations when an OBE happened accidentally. Strangely though, when I deliberately attempted to have an OBE, I only heard / felt a whoosh, but no vibrations. Occasionally I tried to visualize the vibrations and amplify the feeling in order to see if I could induce an OBE like this. So far I haven't been able to do it like this.

My sister used to have frequent OBEs a couple of years ago. She said that while experiencing these vibrations, her body healed. I just found it interesting and worth mentioning.

smile Bilocation really confused me when it happened for the first time during a teleportation attempt. It took me a while before I realized that it was me sitting next to myself.



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