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RE: Obe/PK


owltwelve wrote:

I think that Darryl, unfortunately projects his own limitations onto everyone else.

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 It seems to come out of frustration or disappointment. As if he's been really excited about it and someone has come and convinced him that it's just his mind playing tricks on him. So, in a sense, he's trying to prove himself wrong by testing the path of "mind playing tricks on him" to verify that it's a dead-end and prove his original intuition right.

I feel sorry for him because of that. I have trodden the dead-ends of others several times by now and it seems pretty clear that it's the way of the ego. It may take years and in the end it doesn't make anything better. One shouldn't waste time on proving others wrong, one should do it the way that feels right for themselves.

But then again, I'm doing the exact same thing by discussing from father's viewpoint. Spirits often interact with people. If there are no people around to amplify the energy of the spirits, then poltergeist effects don't manifest. So, it could be said that the spirit uses the bodies of the nearby people.

My own viewpoint on this is just that most spirits aren't very strong. There are a few wild cases of cursed tombs, though (Scythian ice maiden, Egyptian mummies).



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I think that there is nothing wrong with being agnostic about the nature of reality. It's healthy to be an open minded & intellectually curious skeptic. Most skeptic/debunkers I've encountered just seem to be negative Nancy's to me, feeding parasitically off the the enthusiasm of others. It takes a lot of courage to push forward & try new things when no one has done it ahead of you already. Working hard & expressing oneself honestly, sink or swim without protecting ones ego, takes guts, and leads to progress. By contrast, it's very easy to be an armchair skeptic who isn't putting anything on the line.

I imagine that everyone practicing/researching psi hits walls & faces frustration, but that's not a good reason to give up & drag others down. We simply don't know enough about what's going on, & to make hard assertions about the impossibility of things, is like smothering the baby in the cradle. Questions; hypothesis, & tests, seem more appropriate to me than stifling assertions.

I wish Darryl, was still open to trying things. I think that one of the values of a community like this forum, can be exposure to & sharing of ideas:)

Concerning spirits & poltergeists; I suspect based on my interactions with what seem to be spirits, that there are varying degrees of them in terms of power. For example the Taoist, perspective on this, is that most human spirits are mostly yin energy & can't maintain themselves for long without reincarnating. Humans who cultivate their yang/sexual energy & combine the polarities take the energy with them, and can exist indefinitely as a vajra/rainbow body. I can personally attest that there is a tangible difference between my OBEs before & after my current level of tantric cultivation. When I leave my body now, it's more like I exist as a bi-located somewhat physical entity than as an intangible spirit.

With poltergeist activity, at least in my experience it seems like PK phenomena from my own mind. It can behave like separate spiritual entities, but I think they are probably Tulpas. Also, the poltergeists coming from my mind seem to be quite powerful; manifesting 1000s of pounds of lift, as well as intricate articulations like turning on the stovetop burners, which have child safety knobs:)



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-- Edited by owltwelve on Saturday 6th of June 2015 07:32:38 PM

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http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2443719

http://www.grahamnicholls.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/Consciousness-Beyond-the-Body.pdf



-- Edited by owltwelve on Thursday 25th of February 2016 02:38:22 AM

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i thought i came here to talk but with every post i read i realize i came here to listen.
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@mindovermatter: Same here. Took me months to even feel comfortable posting anything since I didn't feel like I had anything to contribute. :P We've got a really neat group of souls here that have a lot to share.

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I think we all learn from one another; each person's perspective is unique & precious:)



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I like the videos on hypnagogic imagery. I am in the process of finishing one of the longer ones but I like how it describes the state of mind as something not directly in front of the eyes but in a different space in the mind as I have always felt that they took place in the same area that intentional visualization does. The thing that has me confused is the video where the woman talks about them being in 3D. I don't know if I would necessarily use that to describe them but I assume it would depend on what the current image was.

The video that describes one starting out as a bow and then arrows and then the arrows turning into stars with no narrative to connect them seems very familiar to me and my experience. I have noticed that they are completely random and while I have not known them to tell a narrative story, they are connected in the way they are formed and bleed into one another to form the next image. A sharp corner of an object might protrude and turn into something completely different and unrelated and then that, in turn, will morph into something else. I also like how the video describes them as being really obvious once you know what you are looking for but extremely easy to overlook as they don't seem like real images which most people will probably be looking for instead of the unintentional visualizations which is how I see them.

The thing that gets me questioning whether I am experiencing the same thing as the people in the videos is the ease of transitioning into this state from a normal waking state. I did first notice this effect while playing around in trance states years ago but find that if i cover my eyes I can relax enough to allow these to happen while I am still sitting upright within a few minutes. I guess if you were to describe them visually I would say that perhaps the images are more prominent or pronounced when I am deeply relaxed but finding this state so easy to enter when just closing my eyes and focusing makes me wonder if what I am experiencing is not the hypnagogic state but perhaps something else entirely.

I don't have the book she was talking about that has techniques for using this state to launch OBEs but I have read a little bit on the subject and have not had any strong results in the few times I attempted an exit that way though I don't recall what technique it was now.

The images are funny in some ways though like if I try to think to hard they go away or if I try to influence them too much they tend to get stuck in what I would describe as a thought loop where the same image sticks around longer than I want it to and changes slightly, I have to focus on letting go to encourage them to start changing rapidly again. Most of the time the images are things I have never actually seen before but seem to be things the mind made up, they are abstract in a way that I am sure only my mind would understand as images will flash and without a mental narrative thought telling me what an image is I instantly know, even the ones that are only around for a few seconds.

Is this the same as the hypnagogic state or is it something else entirely since it is so easy to access through the waking state? The videos have me interested again but confused slightly.

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I would describe hypnagogic imagery, as sensory awareness experiences which have a highly defined level of vividness; enough to be convincing as real. Everyone experiences it daily as the fall into dreams, but most people are usually unconscious while in these states. If you meditate a lot, or have experience with hypnosis, you are more likely to develop skill at maintaining awareness when are in slower brainwave states.

In terms of developing OBEs & other mind powers; mastering hyngogia, is the keys to the kingdom. If can maintain hypnagogic awareness at will; you can generally hold theta brainwave dominance, & will usually have spikes of gamma in there. It means you can consciously look into the astral world; go there, as well as manifest things in this world much more quickly.

I think what one sees in hypnagogic states is individual, but it's often more than vision; any or all of your senses can be involved. I think Rich explains it very well here:

I hope this is helpful, & it's nice to hear from you man:)



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I like his very simple exercise for gaining more control by batting away images or learning to hold them still. I also love his enthusiasm and energy on the subject.

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Yea, I miss being here and think of it a lot. Just got on a long long long break due to a plateau it seemed, not sure if I am over it or not but wanted to check in.

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Sometimes, branching out into other mind powers can be helpful. Also, finding ways to apply these skills to life can give it greater meaning. You might find that the potency of your manifestations, or spells if you are into magick increases if you reach a certain level with psychokinesis:)



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@owltwelve: Thank you for the book! I like the fact that it has so many references to prior research. A good book to suggest for "modern skeptics".

The book also answered quite a few questions I didn't know I had :).

The projectarium project seems interesting. I wonder if building a platform on top of a tree would yield similar effects. Once did that, but only meditated on it a few times before a storm cut the tree.



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Posting this just in case it hasn't been posted before.

 

[video=https://youtu.be/ZgJOMqIhvHM?list=PL66910FE1A410E6E4]



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I've posted it in the forum before; the Lucidology series is very good:)



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I know right? Got my first OBE after trying out these techniques.



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