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Actions vs intention


There is a saying similar to: "It's not important what you do, what's important is how you do it." This is how I understand it: it's intention that decides the outcome, not actions.

It's bugging me a little that some mass-murderers and cannibals live by this, which makes them feel clean.

For example, Anders Behring Breivik .. I don't feel that he's a murderer. He gives the feeling of a really intelligent person with noble goals.

Jorge Beltrao Negromonte and Isabel Pires feel a bit darker, but again .. due to the way that they have sinned, I don't feel them being evil. Perhaps at some point they started to doubt in their belief, which is why they feel a bit dark. But it doesn't seem to be their actions.

From the point of view of the society and ethics (which considers actions more important), the saying would be wrong. From the point of view of oneness, mass-murder and cannibalism cannot be less holy than love and compassion (out of which they seem to have performed their "dark deeds").

Based on the info that my rational mind has, it says they're guilty. The irrational (non-mainstream psionic mind) says they're not and perhaps Breivik was even staged.

What do you guys and girls think?



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I think both action and intention defines us. As I see, intention is the potential part of us, and actions are the outcome, what we do with our potential. So both matter equally. But I must say I´m not much of the too forgiving, hate-free kind of guy. In comparison, using the Star Wars universe, I identify myself with the Jedi mostly, but in some parts I also agree with the Sith. I don´t care really about how Breivik sees himself in his mind. To me he doesn´t deserve to live. Only analysing people through their intention is not practical, life is also about the outcome of things. Both the ends justify the means, and the means justify the ends, are wrong. The ends and the means are both to be considerated. Life is about balance.



-- Edited by Einheerjar on Monday 23rd of April 2012 05:49:42 PM



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I am inclined to agree with Einheerjar here,

Some of the deadliest weapons known to man were created with the best intentions. The splitting of an atom founded the atomic bomb for instance.

Even if someone does something wrong, repeatedly, for reasons they believe are right, that doesn't get them out of murder. It takes more then just intention and action to bring about something wonderful, it also requires intelligence and compassion. I personally would not let a murderer walk free just because his heart was in the right place. Actions are the fruit of intention, which is why i look at peoples actions first, as i tells much about people.

From the point of view of the society and ethics (which considers actions more important), the saying would be wrong. From the point of view of oneness, mass-murder and cannibalism cannot be less holy than love and compassion (out of which they seem to have performed their "dark deeds").

I wonder if the people that are being eaten would agree.

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I think that when it comes to the functioning of a society, what matters most is the public trust. Citizens need to feel reasonable assurance that they are safe & that there is equal protection under the law.

Even before you get into judging the heart of another; it's basically inefficient to have a society where an extreme like murder is morally relative. If someone murders or rapes my loved one; I won't care about what's in their heart. The public trust that most of us are in agreement about the absolute wrongness of murder, is part of what holds society together. If for instance, my girlfriend were murdered; my instinct would probably be vengeance. However, it is my trust that my social peers are more likely to agree that murder is unacceptable, that might keep me from enacting that vengeance.

If someone is accused of murder, assuming that we are talking about a democratic country; they can defend themselves in court. If they were defending themselves, or it was an accident; that's one thing. Other than self defense or accident, I'm not really going to care that they had a hard life or whatever, especially if they can't give me my loved one back.



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Hm, that's a good point. Trust is the base for our society.
Nox wrote:

Some of the deadliest weapons known to man were created with the best intentions. The splitting of an atom founded the atomic bomb for instance.


 True, it got into the wrong hands .. which was quite predictable.



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I'll hijack the thread for a subject that's not very well related. Just something that I wanted to post somewhere.

During a concert in the old town of our capital city last weekend, it occurred to me that some of the psions have been often misusing the power. From the victims' point of view, they have all the right to be angry at witches. Especially when they can't protect themselves against sorcery. Skepticism and ignorance would be some of the mildest reactions to mis-pk.

I feel sorry for pk having such a history and I feel sorry for the victims as well. hmm



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Could you be more specific? When you say sorcery & witches; do you mean psions cursing others or something?



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I personally want to know for sure if the person actually cast any kind of spell on the girl; or if she just threw a tantrum and blamed a person for witchery as a scapegoat... you know, like some of kids back in the Salem witch trails did.

On the other hand, if this person did bewitch the girl, then i guess that only goes to hinder our goals here. Can't very well get others to accept such things when people are going around casting madness at little girls. You know, because then it's the Devil's work. And who wants to get in bed with the Devil?... Seriously anyone?

I've seen southpark, i know what happens to people who get in bed with satan...... It's not pretty....

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Nox wrote:

I've seen southpark, i know what happens to people who get in bed with satan...... It's not pretty....

Lolz Nox biggrin

Sussch wrote:

some of the psions have been often misusing the power. From the victims' point of view, they have all the right to be angry at witches.

So pretty much what you are saying that PK misuse -> witchcraft

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If someone is accused of murder, assuming that we are talking about a democratic country; they can defend themselves in court. If they were defending themselves, or it was an accident; that's one thing. Other than self defense or accident, I'm not really going to care that they had a hard life or whatever, especially if they can't give me my loved one back.

Agreed.

When i usually happen to watch news about murders with my family, they usually display anger, hate, saddness. It's kinda like reaction... You done a bad deed, you are hated. I'm not talking about murder. For instance, my classmate (a few years back) was really poor and had to steal from shop to get something eat. And she was caught, well, you can guess the rest. Hate hate hate. She was completely rejected from the rest of the class. I mean every, single, person (except for me, i'm usually neutral and try to see both sides). And that til' the end of the school.




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At the concert it just popped into mind what witches and the rest of the people might've felt during the middle ages and before. Blunt-minded people using witchcraft to kill multiple generations of families and no-one would even know who's the culprit. A lot of well-hearted village witches were blamed for it.

The history taught at our schools only describes the process of chasing witches, but it doesn't tell much about what caused it and how.

I like the ideal of being able to forgive everyone. In my opinion, death penalty doesn't solve anything .. the best solution would be to give perhaps 20 years to meditate on it. After that, to release into the crowd that remembers what has been done. Sort of a sped up process of enlightenment. I consider this as the best way to repay the debt of a murderer.

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So, one must carefully choose their actions and in order to perform an action well, it's important to have the correct mindset while doing this.

I often tend to forget the gentleness, focus, empathy and precision that has to be applied for all actions (including pk).

Today morning, other roommates were displeased with the way I closed the door when I went jogging. It was past the wake-up time already, so I didn't pay much attention and just left the door to close on its own while the others were still snorring. One of them later gave me the order to open and close the door 10x with gentle and care. Which displeased the rest of the roommates even more, since they were still trying to squeeze the last out of their dreams. smile



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I came across a duo of psychics who used their ability to mind rape a whole room of people including me at a concert campground one time years ago. It was full on and something I will know to see in the future. Intention may be useable by all... lost my train of thought....

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Shirak wrote:

I came across a duo of psychics who used their ability to mind rape a whole room of people including me at a concert campground one time years ago. It was full on and something I will know to see in the future. Intention may be useable by all... lost my train of thought....


 What were they doing exactly?



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I ran across someone (over the internet) who says he regularly mind rapes people for fun. Just to see their reactions.

What were they doing exactly?

He described it to me in a way that made it sound like forced sex via telepathy, or something similar.

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