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Can anyone explain what I did?


I'm not sure what I did or what it's called.  This was over 20 years ago. 

I was in high school at the time.  I was in class and a guy was doing what he presented as a card trick.  He shuffled a deck of cards, then a volunteer broke the deck.  Then the guy put the cards onto maybe 7 piles.  I can't remember how many in each pile, but they were the same, meaning he put one card at a time in a pile of 7, then did the next pile and so on, until the all the cards in the deck were in piles.  Then he picked up all the cards, starting with the last pile to the first.  He showed everyone the deck of cards and they were in order, like a new deck of cards. 

A few different kids volunteered to cut the deck.  Results were the same each time.  I just watched.  Everyone seemed to think it was a simple card trick and not real. 

Late that night, I remembered the trick and thought I'd give it a try.  So I shuffled a deck of cards, broke the deck, put all the cards into piles and picked up the piles, last to first.  Then I looked at the deck.  The few cards at the beginning and the end were out of order, but the rest in the middle were in order, like Ace of Hearts to King of Hearts in order and so on.  Obviously it is impossible, I thought.  I didn't believe people have real magic powers.  I tried again, but it didn't work.

So I proceeded to figure out what was happening with the trick.  I realized all I did was reverse the order of cards, then they went into order, mostly.  That is impossible to shuffle a deck, reverse the order, to make the deck go back in order.  Something else would have to make that happen. I didn't believe in such things being able to happen because of my own power.  I thought it was some sort of demon or something, so I didn't try again.  I don't believe such things now. 

Can anyone explain what happened? Why was the kid in my class able to repeat the trick, but I couldn't?  And why didn't the few cards touching my fingers go back in order?  I was wondering if it had anything to do with my lack of belief.  While I did the trick the first time, I believed it could work, because I thought it was just a card trick and not real magic. 

I believe that such things could be possible now.  How would I be able to do this again?  Are there any limits to how the physical world can be changed by our minds?  Can anyone do this? 



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Welcome to the forum pumpkin:)

Since I wasn't there; I won't say what happened in the specific case you've mentioned. However, there is a scientific basis for the effects, which also happen to coincide with psi/magic phenomena.

As long as an outcome has not yet been observed, all probable possibilities are in existence at the same time in fluid state between particle & waveform. Quantum physicists call this uncertain state superposition. The innumerable possibilities collapse into one solid outcome by the act of the observer's expectation/intentions.

From the point of view of psionic practice; whether the observer is predicting the future, or effecting the motion of matter psychokinetically is a matter of perspective. The point is that all events yet to be observed are possible & from my experience may be decided on or influenced. It happens to everyone everyday, though most people are conditioned to ignore such phenomena. People who have developed a high level of concentration skill are able to harness this influence into profound displays of manifestations & ability to influence events. You don't need to take my word for it though. Get a 6 sided die, & practice with it. The better able you are at holding a clear & present image of the number you wish to roll, the better you will get at influencing probability:)



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Hi, welcome to the forum!

Questions:

  1. Can anyone explain what happened?
  2. Why was the kid in my class able to repeat the trick, but I couldn't?
  3. And why didn't the few cards touching my fingers go back in order? I was wondering if it had anything to do with my lack of belief.  While I did the trick the first time, I believed it could work, because I thought it was just a card trick and not real magic. 
  4. I believe that such things could be possible now.  How would I be able to do this again?
  5. Are there any limits to how the physical world can be changed by our minds?
  6. Can anyone do this?

I'm not familiar with card tricks, but I'll try to answer the questions:

  1. I can't explain it. I'm not familiar with card tricks, so I don't know what he did or how he did it. Probably some card tricks are indeed tricks (clever shuffling, sleight of hands, tampered deck). Probably some card tricks involve psychokinesis.
  2. He may have practised it a lot more than you did. Some need more practice, some get the knack of it more quickly. Perhaps he used a technique whereas you attempted to repeat it with psychokinesis?
  3. In addition to belief, it might have also been concentration. To me it seems that it happened the optimum way - you assumed it was possible because it was just a trick and you were shown it was possible but not because of being a trick. The way it happened may have had a symbolic meaning as well (card <-> finger). Maximum information density :).
  4. Practice. Depending on what you want to do, the path may be different. With a handful of feats it might be easier to practice them directly. However, if you want to master everything that there is, then I would suggest the path of enlightenment.
  5. I don't know, which is why I assume there are no limits. If there seems to be a limit, I assume the limit is in my mind (psychological).
  6. I don't know, which is why I assume anyone can do it.


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owltwelve wrote:

Welcome to the forum pumpkin:)

Since I wasn't there; I won't say what happened in the specific case you've mentioned. However, there is a scientific basis for the effects, which also happen to coincide with psi/magic phenomena.

As long as an outcome has not yet been observed, all probable possibilities are in existence at the same time in fluid state between particle & waveform. Quantum physicists call this uncertain state superposition. The innumerable possibilities collapse into one solid outcome by the act of the observer's expectation/intentions.

From the point of view of psionic practice; whether the observer is predicting the future, or effecting the motion of matter psychokinetically is a matter of perspective. The point is that all events yet to be observed are possible & from my experience may be decided on or influenced. It happens to everyone everyday, though most people are conditioned to ignore such phenomena. People who have developed a high level of concentration skill are able to harness this influence into profound displays of manifestations & ability to influence events. You don't need to take my word for it though. Get a 6 sided die, & practice with it. The better able you are at holding a clear & present image of the number you wish to roll, the better you will get at influencing probability:)


Hi Owltwelve,

Thanks for the reply and youtube videos.  I still need to watch the last video you posted.  I had been reading and watching videos about quantum mechanics for a couple days, and that's what brought me to telekinesis.  I'm new to the subject.  It's very interesting, but it's difficult to warp my head around it, since these are things that go against what I thought to be true for most of my life. 

So the card trick wasn't magic.  It's just influencing an unlikely outcome to occur.  That's because there are many possible sequences that the cards could go in when shuffled.  One possibility is to go in order.  That possibility is so slim, that it could inaccurately be thought of as impossible.  It was a manipulation of chance. 

That's interesting about developing concentration skills. I will try what you suggested with the dice.  I hadn't tried to develop concentration skill at the time I did the card trick.  I suppose that I could naturally have good concentration skills?  I tend to hyper focus, which can cause the world around me to sort of disappear, not literally, but my focus is in my head completely, so I don't see what's around me.  

The card trick and influencing the roll of a die aren't really magic are they, because someone is just influencing an outcome that is possible.  Doesn't magic have to be an act of doing something impossible?  I guess that you would have to know what is or isn't possible to know what is magic or what is predicting or influencing events. 

What about moving objects?  How does that work?  That doesn't involve predicting or influencing an outcome that is a possibility. 

 



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Sussch wrote:

Hi, welcome to the forum!

Questions:

  1. Can anyone explain what happened?
  2. Why was the kid in my class able to repeat the trick, but I couldn't?
  3. And why didn't the few cards touching my fingers go back in order? I was wondering if it had anything to do with my lack of belief.  While I did the trick the first time, I believed it could work, because I thought it was just a card trick and not real magic. 
  4. I believe that such things could be possible now.  How would I be able to do this again?
  5. Are there any limits to how the physical world can be changed by our minds?
  6. Can anyone do this?

I'm not familiar with card tricks, but I'll try to answer the questions:

  1. I can't explain it. I'm not familiar with card tricks, so I don't know what he did or how he did it. Probably some card tricks are indeed tricks (clever shuffling, sleight of hands, tampered deck). Probably some card tricks involve psychokinesis.
  2. He may have practised it a lot more than you did. Some need more practice, some get the knack of it more quickly. Perhaps he used a technique whereas you attempted to repeat it with psychokinesis?
  3. In addition to belief, it might have also been concentration. To me it seems that it happened the optimum way - you assumed it was possible because it was just a trick and you were shown it was possible but not because of being a trick. The way it happened may have had a symbolic meaning as well (card <-> finger). Maximum information density :).
  4. Practice. Depending on what you want to do, the path may be different. With a handful of feats it might be easier to practice them directly. However, if you want to master everything that there is, then I would suggest the path of enlightenment.
  5. I don't know, which is why I assume there are no limits. If there seems to be a limit, I assume the limit is in my mind (psychological).
  6. I don't know, which is why I assume anyone can do it.

 Hi Sussuch,

Thanks for answering my questions.  I think the kid who did the trick was using psychokinesis, but he was better at it.  And I think I was using psychokinesis too, but was unaware of it.  Probably my focus or expectations were different the first time I tried it, but not after, resulting in different outcomes.

Could you tell me why belief effects what will happen?  Believing that something will happen, can push that possibility into reality? 

 



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It sound like life is a series of possible outcomes that end up becoming reality, leading us down a path, like branches on a tree. So an event happens, then another event, then another event happens, and you are at a point in time determined by these events. Many other possibilities could have happened. Is it possible to retroactively influence events and alter the path that leads to the present?

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Yes, as long as you don't already know the information in the past event. Essentially the past; present, & future are all just the present. So for example, you can psychically influence events in a YouTube video which you haven't seen before, even if it's many years old.

I wouldn't personally say that the possibilities are leading us, as much as we are choosing which possibilities become solid:)



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owltwelve wrote:

Yes, as long as you don't already know the information in the past event. Essentially the past; present, & future are all just the present. So for example, you can psychically influence events in a YouTube video which you haven't seen before, even if it's many years old.

I wouldn't personally say that the possibilities are leading us, as much as we are choosing which possibilities become solid:)


Interesting.  You can't know the outcome of an event in the past, but wouldn't you need to know the possibilities?   To influence the outcome of a role of a die in the past for example, you'd need to know that a die was rolled and what numbers are on the die.  But you couldn't know what number was rolled.  Under these circumstances the outcome of the roll of a die in the past could be changed.

To change current reality in a particular way, you could find an event that has the potential to change the course as long as you don't know the outcome that had already happened.  That would be like directing the course life took in the past in the direction you are wanting to steer it to in the present. 

If you know you rolled a 5 on a die, it can't be changed.  What if you forgot the outcome?  Could the outcome be changed, because it became unknown throught forgetting? 

 

 



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pumpkin wrote:
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If you know you rolled a 5 on a die, it can't be changed.  What if you forgot the outcome?  Could the outcome be changed, because it became unknown throught forgetting?


Yes. I believe it's possible to wind back and change it over again. "Believe", because I don't have proof and my rational mind hasn't been able to properly grasp the events.

There have been situations, though, where I remember it happening one way, then "actually" happening the other way.

 

I like to think that the universe features lazy evaluation (hint at some modern programming languages). If you find a gap that nobody has patched yet, then you're filling the gap with objects, events and history. After that you can point it out to someone and they'll solidify your patch further (thinking the objects, events, history has always been there). Areas of the universe that have already been evaluated and accepted by the active observers, can be changed within the limits defined by the observers. In order to completely change something that has already been accepted by millions of observers, you would have to change it in all the observers.

@owltwelve: Recently I've been wondering "What is time?" But I'm not aware of having received any responses on it, which don't rely on circular definitions.

Have you sensed or felt time directly?



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I think that all the rules we're discussing are just constructs of course, so that the ego can manage a sense of spacetime, which is a construct, lol. Time is movement through space I suppose, which is only a left brain constraint on awareness. Everyone is actually omnipresent, but the ego has a hard time accepting that information.

All is possible if on has the appropriate openness & concentration to make it so. Row row row your boat...biggrin



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Hey pumpkin, welcome to the forum. Here is a nice game you can train yourself with if you are interested: www.psychicscience.org/pk2.aspx# I once wanted to train myself to get really good at this, at least 20 consecutive at just about any time I want, but until that point it will take a while. I am busy but I will definetly check it out later when I have time. So far I think I got 5 consecutive one right :) Good luck with it

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Thank you!

That used to be my favourite online pk exercise. I once sought for that page but couldn't find it (had lost the link).



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It's a pretty awesome site. I have spent a lot of time with the Precog card predictor game. Here's another fun site if you guys haven't heard of it before: www.psiarcade.com/garden/

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Ah, nice .. another old favourite site. Thank you! :)



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