First of all, i love the Internet. I found your site from Shirak, who's videos have inspired me for the last couple of months.
A couple of things about me first, Im a dedicated drummer and have played for about 10 years now (every kind of metal you can think of ;) and have had a keen interest in the paranormal and psychic, and before you ask, yes i 100% believe in PK and associated arts.
I practised out of body experiences and lucidity about 6 months ago with success. I have have had no recollection of an OBE since my first one. Its like i know i can do it but cant!
I have just joined this forum because i have watched Shirak's videos (by far the BEST on youtube) and attempted "flame pulsing" and flame bending. After about 5 mins i was relaxed and could quite easily manipulate the flames, i even pulsed them for about 3 seconds before loosing it in the sense of WOW that overcame me!
Now, same bloody thing with OBE! i CANT do it again. Im convinced that the realisation changes something in my mental attitude.
What am i doing wrong? or what is wrong with the state of mind im in. Ive just been trying for about 25 mins with not even one little push. Nothing. The frustration is mounting also and i know that throws me off.
Hey Ryuke, welcome to the forum! It's cool that you're into OBEs, which I practice as well. I see a strong connections between this and PK. Also, you will find a lot of info & advice on the forum; there are fun things to read here. As far as the flame pulsing is concerned, throw out the phrase, "I can't"; of course you can do it! You just need consistant training. I'm not sure if you practice with your hands, or your third eye, but if you simply focus on the flame in a relaxed state for long enough, your mind will become entrained to the rhythm. You may then find moving the flame to be a simple matter. I'm sure as a drummer, that you've had the experience of getting into a flow & being in an altered state while playing; it can be something like that. Allow you mind to be absorbed or engulfed by the object of focus:)
Shirak, has a video explaining entrainment quite well. It's not something you have to try to do so much as allow to happen. If you think about it, even non-living systems naturally find resonance.
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Welcome to the forum Ryuke! I joined the forum just as confused as you and had the same problems of being able to do something once and not being able to afterwards. Experience taught me that owltwelve is right and that there really isn't a key to it, there isn't much to tell you about the right way to do it but practice will find that for you. Frustration gets the best of me too and it really cuts me off from continuing practice. When I feel frustrated at lack of results during practice I like to take a break for a couple hours, let my mind calm down and focus on different things and gain some energy from my surroundings. Then I meditate to refocus my mind before beginning practice again. Thats when I'm in peak performance :)
Check out the topics on the forum, theres much said about a wide variety of pk experiences, personal thoughts and many great things which I personally learned right here on the forum.
Best of luck, and remember that once you discover how to do something and practice it, it becomes much easier to do. So don't force something thats simple, let it come to you.
Thanks owl12, thats really cleared a few thing up! I know exactly the feel with drumming. I actually ping my rythm guitarist who i co-founded the band with, to change the flow of a jam. Been doing that about 10 months or so ('Sept he dont know im doing it , and i didnt really either, that was when i started reasearchin telepathy and TK/PK.
Ive noticed that it only work when he is 'flowing', ie, pretty much not thinking about whats hes doing. Im usually in the same state, and it makes so much sense now. I feel i break out of flow these days when trying to ping, am i tyring to hard?
Trying to hard? Perhaps in the same way that trying to hard in a musical performance would probably screw it up. It helps to think of Psionics, as skill development, rather than special abilities. From this perspective, you can follow the learning patterns of anything else you've become good at:)
Also, expectation is a major part of this as well. You may have experienced this as a drummer, where you made the psychic transition, from this is what I want to learn, to this is what I do. In my experience, this perspective shift is often the difference between struggle and mastery. So, making the choice that you are a drummer/musician, has I'm sure effected your expectation. You can relax & focus on the music, and play some cool stuff. The same is true with the telepathy; you can commit to yourself as a telepath, and relax enough to notice how you feel when it's working. The skill begins to develop further & become more consistant without the doubts:)
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"Worry about self delusion, after you have succeeded." -Owltwelve
Hi and welcome to the forum. It is good to hear you have experienced altered states. Pay attention to your state of mind while training are you experiencing ego flare? or flow and connection quite often the state of mind will dictate a sessions success.
Also I have found it hard to stay focussed with lack of sleep or to much sugar which doesnt mean the pk event does not happen but I have found my patience to train is affected.
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Welcome to the forum, I can't really add much to these wise words that have already been given to you. Basically don't try and make it happen, just let it happen, try to overcome any doubt, dont be too worried if you dont get instant results but know eventually results will come.
Thanks so much for the encouragement, i managed to move my flame again last night! Albeit, not for long because i was AWARE i was doing it and snapped out. This happened about 3-4 times.
Im still confused with what to actually concentrate on, or what i should feel like when im interacting. Its frustrating because as soon as i get it, i think 'oh there we go' i sort of bump up consciousness to fully alert (sorry if that confused you but best i can describe it)
If i try and concentrate on the feeling it doesn't come, and my attempts are all random.
I made a very basic pinwheel last night also (piece of paper, ****tail stick and bluetac ftw!)
Had no luck AT ALL with that. Think i need to read through some more articles! and practise ofc xD
Thanks again all of your for opening this door for me :)
Best regards
Ryuke Scepticism gone.
ps. on a side note, my girlfriend has an incense tower thing (you just put a stick inside and the smoke flowed out the top) and had the idea of trying to manipulate it...
No idea if it was co-incidence but i put my hands around the outside of the tower and 'beckoned' the smoke out, and it billowed out in a big puff! Ofc, happened once typically.
Something new for the masters to play with! xD
-- Edited by ryuke on Wednesday 1st of September 2010 02:32:27 PM
