Psychokinesis

Leviathan · Researcher

The possibilities with TK

Draspy · International Psionics Journalist

o.o Leviathan xD lots of stuff are said :P Ask whoever said so to make a video xD it might seem interesting :D

FridgeNatious · PK forum Research Veteran

Hey Leviathan

It's my experience that distance really doesn't much matter at all.

Why?

Because thanks to higheriam's Ustream experiment I discoverd that I was able to move a rectangular reciept psi wheel I had never physically seen or been directly familiar with before both clockwise and anticlockwise as long as I got into the correlating zones for appreciated experience projection (i've thought that that could be another way of saying PK). Even on my first appreciated go at it.

higheriam's verification and excitement was very much appreciated too. I really respect and appreciate that man biggrin .

I also found that I could rotate a square shaped psi wheel, which is a shape I hadn't prior typically trained with, but have briefly with aluminum with results at my parent's place.

Now for size. This one I think can be slightly just a bit more interesting, ahah.

See, I think it's more of a matter of friction and probability rather than size. Although I really think anything is possible.

...Possibly

...

Perhaps even "weight".

Why?

Because I've got a laminated cardboard psi wheel that's about 6 to 7 inches long which weighs probably a few ounces which I've been able to move and influence. However, so far it has not rotated and spun as easily as the other materieals I've used so far.

But, size alone I don't think is much of an issue. If at all.

Because I've got psi wheels that are of similar widths and lengths that I have been able to influence and rotate with less

seeming

"difficulty"

Anyways, sorry if there's a bunch of weird ass words and **** like that in there but I was trying my best to convey my tried and sort of tested thoughts on the topics I figured you brought up.

I've got notes written down directly from practice sessions were I see results and everything biggrin . Just wish I'd had a digital cam.

I hope what I was trying to convey helps with what you were trying to make sense of biggrin .

Sussch · International Psionics Researcher/Author/Journalist

Distance, size and weight are all relative anyway. One can make their <insert a good word> (denser area of awareness or however it should be called) lighter, heavier, bigger, smaller.

There was a post where I advertised an interview with Jerry Wills. He claimed to have entered the stargate of Aramu Muru and visited the creators of the universe. There he stood, right next to our universe, which was smaller than him. What had been lightyears, then seemed like microscopic distance units. What had been years seemed like infitesimal units of time. It was particlarly interesting how he moved out of the universe - he just like grew out of it while at the same time moving at an extreme speed.

It doesn't even have to be true or one doesn't have to believe that he actally did that. The idea of it is already mind-boggling and worth thinking about.

So far it seems to me that pk works in a similar manner. I can feel and make objects wobble that are a lot bigger and heavier than what I have been practicing with. Though, as with psi-wheels, getting an organized movement instead of just wobbles - that's what I really need to practice some more (I think it needs better clarity of mind and more control over slight thoughts, feelings and intentions).

@Draspy: Unless one has mastered the skill, results aren't too easy to replicate. So, it could be somewhat difficult to get it on tape. It just randomly happens sometimes at first. aww

-- Edited by Sussch on Tuesday 8th of February 2011 08:23:20 PM

owltwelve · International Psionics Researcher/Author/Journalist

Hey Sussch, I think that you have explained things very well here:)

Draspy · International Psionics Journalist

I know sussch xD who would move a car off the ground with everyone lookin at the street anyway o.o that would make them feel its the end of the world xD

Leviathan · Researcher

i wouldnt mind moving cars up off the street with everyone watching lol XD THANKZ GUYS

MikeMachina · Interested

Leviathan wrote:

Ive seen a couple members on here claim they can move a car. Now i know many weird and beautiful things can happen with telekinesis but is moving a car a real possibility.

They say they put the car in neutral, get out and start trying to connect with the energies to move the car! I know many things can happen with TK and some people say size and distance doesn't matter but can anyone confirm or deny these claims? If not or if so. Explain. Thanks in advance.

Well, firstly, if you spend enough time in psi communities, you realize that people can and will claim anything. Sometimes they are just trolls deliberately pulling legs, sometimes people are over-enthusiastic about their own abilities, some are self-deluded and actually believe these things, and some are just pathological liars. And it's no small feat to sort these things out. I tell people that if you read these stories a lot, you need to have a bullsh!t filter made of platinum.

On psivamp forums, trolls have managed to pose as legit users for MONTHS without raising suspicion, only to announce "Haha, I was playing along the WHOLE TIME! I think you guys are NUTS, but it's just too much fun to read about your silly fantasies you think are real! Go get a life." Yeah.

Bottom line is, ANY claim should be taken with a grain of salt.

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All of that said....

I've heard stories from people I know are credible, such as bodily levitation, RSPK (recurrent spontaneous psychokinesis) of LARGE objects, including cars and pianos, and intentional movement of objects as large as doors, chairs, and chandeliers.

In fact, I have it on good word that a chandelier was slowly spun back and forth, tiny movements at first, but increasing in speed over the course of 10 minutes until it was spinning 2-3 revolutions in each direction. My best friend was sort of idly looking at it and contemplating it spinning - he's not sure if he was really trying or not, as he was quite emotionally distraught at the time. This was at a funeral of my friend's uncle, and hundreds of churchgoers witnessed this event. The coffee hour after church the next day was abuzz with talk of the event - they all thought it was due to the ghost of the deceased.

But again, alas, to him, it's an impressive event to witness either way, to me, it's my trust in his word, and to you all on the internet, it's heresay.

So, is movement of large, heavy objects, and objects across bounds of space and time possible? It would definitely seem so. Weird stuff happens in this world. Does that mean you should trust right off the bat people who claim to move cars, levitate, or shoot energy beams out of their hands? Of course not.

Be open minded, but not so open minded that your brains fall out. Always question everything.

Shirak · International Psionics Researcher/Author/Journalist

Hi Mike definitely, I often choose the disengage method when dealing with trolls. The more energy you give them the more it encourages them. Mike we have had a few of those move through this forum but they either mature or don't last long. Thanks for the heads up though we have tried to put measures in place here in regards to personal attacks however as it is a free forum people are free to post what they believe it is up to the reader to determine if that info is helpful of course. It is my hope that no authoritarian dogma ever takes hold here as it has in other promising forums.

You chandelier story reminds me of a lighting fixture I used to practice on when I was waiting for access to the money room at the Casino I was doing tech work for. The more anxious I got at being made to wait the more momentum the swing would build. It would get to the point where people would begin to look up at the fixture swinging while its partners remained still.

I don't believe anything is impossible and if someone wants to claim something that's great. What I'm more interested in is the how what do they have to teach me I am after all a student of pk. Most Psionics practitioners have a basic understanding of energies so when the bovine excrement starts to fly its usually pretty obvious to the more seasoned.

Im still dragging my heels with buying a geiger counter I want to finish my weather station experiment then its next. I would love to do some more remote pk experiments if you still have the setup? I know you have a lot to offer the community Mike is there any chance you would consider posting your geiger counter experiment here in the specialists section?

MikeMachina · Interested

Rule 14 of the internet: Do not feed the trolls.

I agree, authoritarian forum moderation generally doesn't fix anything. What I've found works best is a tight-knit community, where people know each other on a fairly close basis, just like any social structure, and therefore trolls and troublemakers are ostracised as outsiders, which is the opposite of what they want (they're usually drama whores). I know I'm not super active here, but I'm trying to spend a bit more time here.

I don't know if a geiger counter is even the best option for you at this point. Like, initially, I liked the idea, based on Peebrain and JoeT's experiments back at PsiPog, which were based on the absolute level of geiger counter detection. However, when I tried to write software to determine if these fluctuations were normal or psi-based, it became an issue because I had baseline before each run, and the baseline would fluctuate, and so a low baseline would make it look like PSI just due to regression to the mean.

So what I did is reprogrammed it to function as a typical random number generator, a la PEAR. But it actually really sucks with this regard, because I get at MOST 2 bits a second, with the rock I have. I could get a hotter rock, but that's more money. What's a better solution if you just are looking for 1's and 0's to influence is a hardware RNG based on diode noise (I can send schematics), digitized and sent to a computer via an Arduino. That's about a $40 project. I have the stuff, I just haven't gotten around to building one.

I'm totally up for some more remote PK sessions - just as soon as I finish my chem paper (and probably the parapsychology paper, though I'm much more passionate about the later, and I should be able to crank that out).

I'm actually going to write some stuff for the specialist section, seeing as I am a major parapsychology nerd

. But it's great and it's what I love to do and I love to share learning. I might also make those talks into actual YouTube talks, still working on my shyness XD. I'm also just a scatterbrain and tend to contribute what I can, when I can.

sy · Dedicated PK researcher

Hi! Leviathan! & rest of you guys!... I feel perhaps an explanation may be required to stop all this confusion, about my remarks on T.K.... &... MOVING car's.... loll!... Firstly I can only move cars or any vehicle slowly rolling it on a flat road!... And this is only after I'v done a three day fast!... I Also have been meditating and doing my energy work every day for a full year now!.....This is the key!... DAILY meditation & energy work without missing any days!... and without any Attachments, ... e.g.... T.K can become one it's self if we're not careful!... We can only get as much energy as our consciousness will allow! Or put another way, Our energy is directly equal to our consciousness!.... So if we only focus on T.K without the necessary perceptions and insight's!.... we will become stagnant,... and will not increase our energy!.... I can only give you my personal experience!... which I gave hoping to inspire!... Instead I'v only caused confusion!... sorry!... This was not my intention!... I'll simply finish by saying this! If you LIMIT your self to only thinking you can move a bit of paper on a pin! (psi wheel) ...then that is all you will move!...Expand your horizons!... reach for the sky!.... As being's in this cosmos! we HUMAN BEINGS are potentially the most powerful being there is!... ALL the star race's of our cosmos, are descended from the original humans who first came through the earth!.. I say through!... Because spirit entering the earth, come's up from the hall's of amen-ti!... In the hollow earth!... which by the way is more densely populated! with physical being's!... not all human either!... than the surface!... as implausible as this may sound!..... Take only the information from me that sits comfortable with you! discard the rest!.... but don't condem it!... It may yet be of use to you in the future!..... Anyway...If you have not tried fasting for the purpose of gaining spiritual insight & energy,... I would try it at least!... before throwing out the baby with the bath water!... what have you to loose!.... Don't ever limit yourself in to thinking your limited!... In truth you are all things!..... sy!

-- Edited by sy on Tuesday 17th of May 2011 05:17:03 AM

Shirak · International Psionics Researcher/Author/Journalist

I actually prescribe to the hollow Earth theory. The floating plate on a ball of molten iron theory does not explain many anomalyies. At the very least I believe there are civilizations that reside beneath the surface and water.

I have found that while my stasis field ability has become second nature to me my left right push discipline has suffered which I am rectifying now. It is hard to strike the balance between work and spirtual life for me passive training at work has been the temper for that anvil.

Sussch · International Psionics Researcher/Author/Journalist

Humans really are powerful, though, I don't consider them .. err .. us the most powerful. Don't know who else might be out there or down here. smile

From seismological data (first wave and its echoes) of earthquakes, the thicknesses and densities of different layers have been estimated. If Earth were completely hollow (filled with vacuum or air), earthquakes would act different. It might be hollow from the viewpoint of some other dimensions or higher frequencies though.

There are stories and videos of underground tunnels, hallways and stuff that go too deep for humans to survive without oxygen tanks. I think Jerry Wills has a video on one of those on his website (xpeditionstv.com, if anyone's interested). I've heard a story of military closing some tunnels where dark brown beings were seen or something.

Just wanted to post my opinion. Not to be taken as an argument for or against anything.

sy · Dedicated PK researcher

Thanks sussch&shirak! I would like to spend more time on here with you guys! Chatting about this brill subject matter, with people who get what i'm talking about!...people's eye's normally glaze over as soon as god's name is brought in to the mix!...or the spirit realm is mentioned!.... but been so busy with work, and splitting up with girl friend!.... Then getting back together!.... aarhhh!.... my heads been in bit's recently!.... hopefully I bit more sorted and stable now,.. so you may see more of me on here!... may even start a journal if time allow's!.. lol!..... so i can now give my path my full attention!...err ... well... nearly full!.. lol! relationships. .. he he!.....

-- Edited by sy on Sunday 15th of May 2011 06:18:27 PM

Milamber · Interested

In this day and age, particularly given the cheap cost of tech (thank you JB Hi-Fi), there is really no excuse for people not to film their claims. If someone makes a claim - no matter how big or small - that seems dubious and won't happily back it up with film, I think it's best for all concerned to take the claim with a pinch of salt. Given the degree of disbelief surrounding the topic of psi in the broader community, I think those of us looking to explore the topic as a legitimate scientific branch owe a duty of care to elevate our claims beyond doubt to the best of our ability. If that means having a camera rolling EVERY time we practise psi to ensure we capture random occurrences, so be it.

Treasure Hunter · International Psionics Researcher & Theorist

So far all my videos have been recorded on my phone, but at the weekend I bought a digital camera as my old one is broken. I had a real stroke of luck with this, because the model i bought so it said on the box was a Fugi Film 10 mega pixel AV10, this was 50 pounds, when I opened the box inside was a Fugi Film 14 mega pixel, AV 200, complete with the instructions, I think they must have put this in the wrong box biggrin

owltwelve · International Psionics Researcher/Author/Journalist

I disagree Milamber. I think that it depends on why you are training in the 1st place. There are people who will not believe you no matter what you film, and a video camera does not make it a scientific study.

I think that a video can be good for the purposes of proving it to yourself, or sharing what is possible with friends. When I 1st started, I found Shirak's videos to be inspiring. However, I don't accept a duty to anyone but myself. I have found that making youtube videos can easily become a kind of ego trap, distracting you from deeper training. There are people ready to praise you; criticize you, or harass you every minute until you entertain them with a new video. Why should it be anyone's obligation to put up with that kind of attention if they don't want it for themselves.

Many of the people on this forum have become friends who are more concerned with sharing experiences, than gaining scientific approval. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that scientific proof is bad, but that's not why everyone is here. I pursue psi as a spiritual practice rather than a scientific one & only call it psi for ease of communication. I have no interest in chasing anyone's approval.

If someone new comes to the forum, I may take their claims with a grain of salt mainly because I don't know them yet. Though, if what they are saying resonates with my own experience & understanding, I often take them at their word. I have learned a lot from people who never showed me a video. Also, many of the people who join forums like this one, are really looking for emotional support for experiences which their friends & family may reject them for, & never had an interest in praise.

If someone makes outlandish claims which they know to be false, they are only cheating themselves & don't tend to last long before they get bored & go away on there own:)

-- Edited by owltwelve on Tuesday 17th of May 2011 03:26:35 PM

sy · Dedicated PK researcher

OwlTwelve!... Beautifuly put!............. Sy

-- Edited by sy on Tuesday 17th of May 2011 05:30:36 PM

Sussch · International Psionics Researcher/Author/Journalist

@Treasure Hunter: Hi-Five! biggrin

@owltwelve: Well said.. smile

@Milamber:

For motivational purposes, it doesn't even matter if it's fake or not. What matters is what you believe it is.

I've come across plenty of scientific proof (articles, documentaries, videos, measurement data of own experiences) to believe that anything is possible. And I'm kind of jealous, so that whenever I see someone doing something I haven't been able to do yet, it makes me want to try harder and catch up.

Milamber · Interested

@ Treasure Hunter: Nice one!

@owltwelve: I take your point OT. I've obviously come to the topic via a scientific bent, but it's fair to say I have found the study of it is not proving incongruous with my broader world-view, being one based on a belief in spiritual interconnectedness (as distinct to religion of course :) ). Certainly when I'm attempting to practise PK I'm assuming zero-sum entropy of the system, ie. that I'm just re-directing or re-channelling existing energy that flows through everything. I can therefore appreciate how the study of PK complements the spiritual.