Psychokinesis

Nine-Tenths · Interested

How would you prove telekinesis if you had to use drugs?

Nox · International Psionics Journalist

Well, being able to prove TK, even on a drug, was be easy. You are moving objects around. Even if the drug put you in some form of inebriated state; so long as the objects where moving, and passed the conditions, then i doubt there would be much of an issue. Though, as you pointed it, it may prove it's existence, but then the user may be on the chopping block at some point, and the drug itself. All in all, a lot of mayhem would probably ensue over it.

I know of no drug that does that anyways, and thankfully, there is no need for it. You can do TK without it.

LOL it's kind of interesting that you would bring up drugs though. Considering possession is 'Nine-Tenths' the law.

Oh well, i digress.

owltwelve · International Psionics Researcher/Author/Journalist

Why do you need to prove PK to anyone? Is approval important enough to warrant being stressed out?

There those who will never accept PK into their world view, & those who want to believe badly enough to praise you for anything. What does spectacle have to do with the spirit of PK itself.

Without knowing which drug you are referring to; I'll ask how you are sure that it's not working as a placebo? Many of us express PK without drugs, or risk of side effects, chemical or psychological.

The best advice I can give you from my own experience, is that psychic development & spiritual growth, are an inside job:)

Joshua3109 · Psychokinetic Researcher

Mushrooms work to activate the Kundalini temporarily so maybe it is them.

shy · International Psionics Researcher & Theorist

Drugs make it difficult to focus your energy. It makes geisting more chaotic.

Nine-Tenths · Interested

Friends, that's okay, Ive been pondering this question for years. Ive contacted people. Most people in science don't care. The world needs proof - can we agree on that? I can prove it, if they'll accept my method that inebriates me but works. Who do I talk to is what I'm asking? Who is going to have the authority to approach the science community with proof of the psychic using drug experimentation? I'm not talking DARPA, they've probably done it, this needs to be public. Maybe there's another country, but I want this to be in America, not China, N. Korea, Afghanistan, or anyone else.

Friends, drugs are bad, m'kay? That is the point. There's no need for anybody to be experimenting with drugs because they know they can do telekinesis and the world still needs proof. If it was official then that excuse is eliminated. There's no doubt people are out there doing it on drugs, but they shouldn't be. They should move on with life... leave psychokinetic research to experts. But who's actually doing it, and by actually, I mean ACTUALLY, and drugs can do that.

That's all I have say for now. Think about that, is there a way?

-- Edited by Nine-Tenths on Saturday 28th of January 2012 08:35:19 PM

Skepti2psychic · International Psionics Researcher/Author/Journalist

Very intresting idea however i want to say this. If you are given a miracle drug how does one then learn to control ones given pk power. You relying on somthing else to give you your ability and its not you doing the work, so is it really earned? another fact with such a drug im sure there will be addictions and with all chemicals even salt there are neagtive effects on the body its self.

as josh pointed out mushrooms, long exporusre to such a drug can cause spores to grow inside your brain and spinal cord amongst other hazardus things. so in all hoensty i personly would not seek drugs for my abilitys (ive3 had fun wit drugs enough inmmy life im all set lmao).

also a good point O12 points out.....why would we want to prove we can do pk? i mean soem times its difficult when you mom dad and brother make fun of you for staring at a peice of paper or trying to put out a fire from far way. but im not doing it for them im doing it for me. before you continue psychikinesis ask your self why are you doing it :)

Sussch · International Psionics Researcher/Author/Journalist

I think there are a lot of blind skeptics, who would see the psion hallucinating on drugs instead of performing telekinesis. Subconscious reflexes protecting the mind. Clicky.

Skepti2psychic · International Psionics Researcher/Author/Journalist

this made me laff when i read it when you posted it, if i met a skeptics worst then me i will no for a fact no mater what i do to prove my self they will create mutlple excsuses. the differences between me and other skeptics i try this stuff :D so far i been 50% wrong :P

people do not want to live in a world of unkwn thats to scary for them

Shirak · International Psionics Researcher/Author/Journalist

The proof has already been done. Research Dr Tillers conclusive experiments. I bought his entire lecture series from his university days. Compelling however it is really stigmatized so many scientists choose to Cary out research in privacy working within small research and study groups.

Sussch · International Psionics Researcher/Author/Journalist

I suspect that multiple yogis have already proven telekinesis to researchers in East.

Nina Kulagina has proven telekinesis for Russian researchers.

Masuaki Kiyota has performed telekinesis experiments in Japanese labs. See the following series of youtube videos (embedded part 1/3):

Also, there have been quite a few people, who have taken the JREF challenge. Despite their psychokinesis feats, they have been labelled as fake.

To me it seems that telekinesis simply can not be interpreted with mainstream science. That's because mainstream science is expected to remove the observer from the equation (for solid proof, it has to be objective and well repeatable, right?). However, with psychokinesis and quantum phenomena, the observer greatly affects the events or even causes them to take place. Moreover, as the events might depend on the emotions of the observer, then the results of the experiments might not be easy to replicate.

We live in our beliefs and they live in theirs, we wouldn't want to press our beliefs on anyone else, would we? Also, with less people believing in telekinesis, groups "chasing the witches" should be less probable.

Trina · Psychokinetic researcher

Well, from my experiences, there is a certain frame of mind needed to preform any psychic or PK task. All knowing, confident, and relaxed. Even if artifucailly induced by alcohol or meds, it is still the individual performing the task. And I feel that if objective proof can be provided, irregardless of the conditions, scientists will be receptive. Now if this special drug was LSD, I would be very skeptical. LOL...

Nine-Tenths · Interested

@nox Yes, there is concern about fundamentalists accusing it as being witchcraft.

Thats cool about the nine-tenths law, Ive never heard that. Thanks.

@owltwelve Proving it is a matter of conviction. Some might believe it to be the most important discovery of humankind. Some, such as myself, might want to use it as a point to make other point, such as faith in God, prayer, and positive thinking.

Its not a placebo. I agree drugs are not good, but they work for me, empirically.

@Joshua3109 Its not Mushrooms.

@shy Yes, drugs are by no mean a cheat - They make the mind suffer immensely if you're not careful especially during recovery.

@Grengoshi Yes, as I said to shy, using drugs doesn't come without a whole heap of problems and risks.

@Sussch @Shirak Skeptics want proof. They will always refer to the JREF anytime anyone claims psychic abilities. Proof would change the way they think.

@Trina The wisest statement here. Thank you. It is not LSD.

Alright, thanks guys. Good luck sharing your psychic gifts with the world.

-- Edited by Nine-Tenths on Saturday 4th of February 2012 06:15:55 AM

titorite · Psiontist

Poor guy.

The JREF is rigged.

I know from personal experience. and the drug factor is irrelevant. And it has a price tag OH the tags... what cha useing? Addies or or ice? You don't have to tell me if you don't want. I just wanted to get across how experienced I am with your exact experience Nine tenths.

By now he should be kicked to a lower organizations... given lots more run around.... lots of wasted time.. hopefully he stops wasting his time soon..... I wasted over a year and a half on their lies to hear: "How do you know the sun light did not move the CD"....... I knew what was up right then and there. I hung with them the rest of the day and I tried to participate very much.... but I was just so damn bummed by the situation... it sank in... It did not matter what I did .... the observers were going to have an answer for everything and I was not gonna win because it was not a real challenge. It was rigged.

I hope it gets better for you man. Stay strong. , work on being strong with out the chemical help. (16 years older your chemical broether means this one to another) Hypnosis is good, GREAT , at making up for the difference.... the price is about the same.meh... your life choices.. Be well. Nine.

-- Edited by titorite on Monday 1st of April 2013 11:51:14 PM