Dunno about all this stuff, but I thought I'd give it a try...
Started meditating a few weeks ago for a couple of hours a day (to try to take my mind off the pile of unpaid bills) and this week started doing some yogic mantras with sounds like shhhhh and ohhhmmmm invoking the sacred cows of vishna and whatnot.
After a few days of this I hope to (later this week) proceed to visualization and get my first taste of this thing you guys call "energy manipulation", by learning how to make constructs.
So, what's all this about?
Are constructs tangible to the point that even my dog can touch or is it some subtle aspect of existence in this world that only the sensitive/trained can perceive?
Here's the simplest way to imagine the energy field. You know how birds can sense the magnetic field of the earth which allows them to migrate from north to south? They do this with the presence of their own magnetic field which is what many people refer to as an aura. They use this same field to create perfect flying formations while flying as they gauge their field along with the surrounding birds. Essentially everything has this magnetic field.
You know when you get that feeling of someone staring at you and you turn around to confirm someone actually staring at you? You are actually sensing the focal point of that person's mental energy on you.
Harnessing this energy to allow someone to physically feel it is tricky, because there are many karmic barricades placed in a cosmic level that prevents abuse and harm to other people. However I learned that you can provide positive influence however, like healing, calming, inspiration and what not.
Personally I was able to use my energy to heal my cousin sister who was having a sever and uncomfortable stomach infection. She later thanked me as she felt much better and more refreshed after the treatment.
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Something you could do immediately without much meditation behind your belt is to feel your own energy field.
1. Rub your hands together until the palms get warm/hot.
2. Pull them apart until they're approximately 4-6 inches apart with your fingers extended (flat palmed) and then feel and see (in your minds eye) a ball of energy and make it as dense as you can. Be relaxed during all of this.
3. Slowly bring them together and see/feel the ball squish/flatten like you would if it were a tennis ball or clay.
You should very easily feel something repelling your hands. This is your chi and energy field. You've successfully manipulated some energy and created a chi/psi ball. :)
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feel and see (in your minds eye) a ball of energy and make it as dense as you can. You've successfully manipulated some energy and created a chi/psi ball. :)
Sure thing, will do.
Still meditating here to keep thoughts out and yesterday I was at 1 thought per minute. Today down to 1 every 2 minutes.
If all goes well, maybe on saturday I'll be able to hold a psiball for up to 5 minutes without my lack of focus compromising it's integrity.
Just do what you can. You'll build up as time progresses. There is no rush. I definitely recommend making a new post for your personal progress log and keep us updated on how things are going for you. :)
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You'll build up as time progresses. There is no rush.
Yeah, well... I've been going at it for almost 1 month, and still nothing... how long it took you guys?
I'm getting kinda worried here.
Two weeks ago also began doing exercise and first five days I couldn't even sleep with waist and shoulder pain... but this week I'm pumping 20 pushups and 20 abs daily with zero pain. If my body goes from couch potato to physically active in 2 weeks, why my mind can't do the same with psionics?
I thought pumping up my metabolism would pump up my energy levels and make things come out easier, but until now... I'm still waiting.
I mean, I meditate 1h a day, I hold visualizations of different objects in my mind's eye, I do mantras, I try to balance my energy points, I try to feel my energy field and from the plants and animals around me... I try to make psiballs and keep feeding them energy on a daily basis... I even tried to photograph psiballs outside of the human visible spectrum to see if they were there.
C'mon guys, I need some help here... pretty please.
I am thinking about making an audio recording of a self-induced hypnosis to trick my subconscious and then try again to check if I can do it for real.
bidama, the most that others can do for you in a safe way, is to share their own experience & what worked for them. Since we all have individual histories; strengths, & weaknesses, it's unreasonable to have such specific expectations for your progress, or assumptions about how things work.
When you ask, "How long did it take you guys...?", it might help if you clarify exactly what "it", is. Are you talking about moving a psi_wheel, or something else? It sounds like you are demanding nebulous personal coaching, which most of us didn't have honestly. However, the forum is full of wisdom & experiences members have shared over many years. You can read through, personal journals; specific topics, & even use the search function. It would be easier to help you if you asked more pointed questions.
If your specific goal is to make visible constructs; it takes much longer than 1 month to cultivate the energy & concentration skill necessary, especially if you are only meditating for an hour. I'm sure we would all love to help you, but remember everyone here is a normal person, experimenting & sharing; no one is selling anything:)
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It took me a month to get the first twitch from a psiwheel. That was almost 8 years ago.
I'm still no sage flying around, shooting lightning, and having flowers and teapots popping up around me. Though, I have to admit, that would be awesome =P
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I constantly have that nagging doubt that I'm wasting my time. Not sure if that's what you're having or not but something to remember is that the harder you "try" the harder it is. It shouldn't be hard. When I have just kept the right amount of detachment I've had the best results. Psi powers aren't something you can force like working out your muscles but there are some loose parallels that can be made. Unfortunately the mind is the limiter here. I was able to get my Psi wheel to move in the first few days but I have to say that it also took longer and longer between each successful movement before it got more frequent. That was all because of me limiting myself. I got impatient. I wanted results that were fantastic and amazing so I could show them off. All of the progress I made ended up being lost because I got depressed and doubted myself and painted a wonderful ceiling of failure that I couldn't break through. Things are better now in many ways but some barriers haven't been broken through yet.
All I am thing to say is that you really can't rush any of this. You need to know what your reasons are behind this goal you have. Keep mediating. Keep practicing the concentration methods that work. If any of us had the ability to nudge your progress we would only cause you trouble because you wouldn't have cultivated the necessary skill nor the wisdom to handle your new abilities. Be consistent and be willing to delude yourself until you succeed. Owl's signature says it best. :)
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Hehehe, sorry if it sounded that way... quite frankly I neither demand nor expect anything... whatever happens, happens. This week I've been practicing making programmed psiballs (or constructs as people call them) to convince my pet guinea pig to eat some vegetables/grass instead of dry pellets... And no one ever told me to do that... I just made that exercise up as I went along on my own.
This week I'm also trying to stretch my energy field into a very tiny focused point to call the attention of my pet instead of calling his name to see if he notices anything so that I can have some kind of tangible feedback that my technique is working... But also, not one on the internet ever told me to do that one either.
However I do have a little question... you see, when I'm making a psiball, I feel like I'm kinda projecting half of my consciousness in front of me where the psiball is while the other half stays behind... It's hard to put into words, but can you relate in any way to that? Has it ever happened to you? I hope it doesn't sound like demanding, I would just like your opinion.
limpidprogress wrote:
Psi powers aren't something you can force
Well, you ever watched those youtube videos of John Chang giving his students an exam? The guy says: "You have to push it out like when you are in the bathroom"
You know those videos?
And when the 2 month student does exactly that, POW... you see the paper boxes being knocked over.
It's online the video, I think.
But anyways, that was just a quick sidenote comment I thought might be useful for the discussion... I don't lean much towards telekinesis myself, I'm more into telepathy and empathy.
I always try both ways... I try pushing, I try relaxing and letting it happen... I even take a few days off to see if it helps...
but my constructs/psiballs are not doing anything, despite me feeding them on a daily basis.
My pet still eats only dried pellets even if I put a construct in the cage showing him how delicious vegetables are...
and I cannot call his attention at all, no matter how much I try.
Regarding self-delusion, that seems to be exactly what's happening... I'm doing the movements and going through the exercises and procedures in hope of some kind of breakthrough... but until that happens I am aware that I might be doing nothing more than just acting when I'm shaping/shelling/programming the psiballs... hehehe
In the John Chang, videos they're talking about yang chi, which takes time, concentration, & (if you're male) celibacy to cultivate in the body. It feels like pressure in the body which may be pushed out like a heavy ball. What most psions are working with, is mostly yin/environmental energy which requires no force at all. In order to be successful with environmental energy; you need relaxed intention. I will quote Shirak, "intention, attention, detachment from results".
Concerning animals; they tend to respond positively to a quiet empty heart. Forget about force; what you need is entrainment, meaning that you quietly rest your attention on the animal until you are the animal. You can use constructs, but empathy is the foundation. In both Hypnosis, & sales; the 1st thing you want to establish is rapport:)
-- Edited by owltwelve on Wednesday 19th of October 2016 03:34:07 PM
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In the John Chang, videos they're talking about yang (...) What most psions are working with, is mostly yin
Concerning animals; they tend to respond positively to a quiet empty heart. Forget about force; what you need is entrainment, meaning that you quietly rest your attention on the animal until you are the animal. You can use constructs, but empathy is the foundation. In both Hypnosis, & sales; the 1st thing you want to establish is rapport:)
Understood
limpidprogress wrote:
I definitely recommend making a new post for your personal progress log
well, that's the point... for over a month I haven't had any progress...
but I'll start doing that because today I had a first breakthrough.
I balanced a spoon on the tip of a needle and it began to spin.
The most odd thing was that it didn't move when I tried to move the spoon... but it moved pretty fast when I tried to move the spoon shadow...
Working with energy is, in my experience, like trying to see an optical illusion "correctly". If you look like you normally would and put too much effort into it, you won't be able to see it. But if you let yourself go and just look without focusing too much on anything, your mind will eventually do all the work for you.
Most of this stuff is, in my experience, 70% your subconscious mind, 20% reaching the proper state of mind to let your subconscious work the way it should, and only 10% you willing "something" to happen.
Plus if I were you I would read through all the forums, not just the ones on psychokinesis. We all have different talents, and yours may or may not lie in "direct" energy manipulation. There are many other interesting fields to explore.
Working with energy is, in my experience, like trying to see an optical illusion "correctly". If you look like you normally would and put too much effort into it, you won't be able to see it. But if you let yourself go and just look without focusing too much on anything, your mind will eventually do all the work for you.
Most of this stuff is, in my experience, 70% your subconscious mind, 20% reaching the proper state of mind to let your subconscious work the way it should, and only 10% you willing "something" to happen.
Plus if I were you I would read through all the forums, not just the ones on psychokinesis. We all have different talents, and yours may or may not lie in "direct" energy manipulation. There are many other interesting fields to explore.
These things rarely go exactly the way we expect.
Great analogy. I haven't seen it this way before so I know what I'm going to be testing. :)
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