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RE: Sight through closed eyelids


OrderedChaos wrote:

eyelashes don't hit the mask.


Yeah, also find that quite bothersome when blinking... lol.

 

Sussch wrote:

Have you perhaps also seen the grid / matrix of light?


 I began by doing plenty of trial and error stuff using any idea I could think of. Struggled and put plenty of effort at first and sometimes would perceive repetitive regularly spaced wave-like pulses that defined the contours of what I was seeing, but noticed I was not identifying things accurately so had to change method. Could have been imagination or not. At that point everything was brand new to me. But anyways, that was the most "unusual" thing I ever saw.

 

Shirak wrote:

have wondered if my brain is using my other senses including em sensitivity to compile the image


 That's the method the guys at MarkahPutihUSA (aka VibraVision) use. They first project their energy and process the information they receive from the way it interacts to distinguish things like a sonar. Others, including me, use a flashlight. And some just ambient light.

 

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I just happened to be blind for about a week.


 Yeah, no joke... me too. What a suffering it was trying to open my eyes.

Eye infection

That made me think during the last few weeks... what if tomorrow by some accident we lose our eyesight somehow? It's cool because even if that happens I will still be able to see... using my mind.

 

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  1. Sometimes the view was not aligned to the body (I was standing at an angle to what I saw).

 

Yeah, first time I saw an entire figure from my practice paper sheets it was absolutly clear but it was seen from the perspective of the left lower side of my head and despite the figures being clear they were really skewed at an awkward angle. I can now see the entire page with all figures simultaneously and it's a little bit more aligned with my eyes, but not entirely... for instance, right now I was just doing it again (after a few weeks of not practicing during vacation) and it looked like I was looking at it from the tip of my right eyebrow. Not entirely aligned with the eyes, but much better.

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Once I was trying to reach a tissue on the floor. I had not paid any attention to where I had left it, so I was somewhat surprised to see (with my eyes closed) that it was far away from the others. Without opening my eyes I picked it up and it was actually there.


 

I noticed most methods taught by most programs/teachers/schools emphasize two parts... One thing they teach is the seeing part, of course. The other one they teach is knowing. Vision and intuition. Clairvision and clairsentience, I think those are the popular terms.

Usually the sense of knowing seems to come before the sense of seeing and the person then has to practice to progress from one to the other. In my case I had to struggle a bit to keep ignoring the "sense of knowing" because my objective from the very start was always specifically the seeing part. Now that I found out how to do it I might explore other parts, of course.

 

Anyways, I'm really happy, because it's getting better even after two weeks without practicing.



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Awesome!

 

I hope that your eyes are well again.



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Utoo are you saying you developed an eye problem by practicing? I hope things have improved for you as well.

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OrderedChaos wrote:

developed an eye problem by practicing?


Indirectly. More practice meant less rest which kept accumulating till pimples and inflamations appeared, which when ignored developed to an infection resulting in 5 days with closed eyes. Moral of the story: Pay attention to early signs.

OrderedChaos wrote:

hope things have improved for you as well.


 

Sussch wrote:

hope that your eyes are well again.


Not just improved, they're better now. Today saw colors for the first time. Bindfolded and closed eyes. Find it easier to see colors of objects than colors on a digital screen, but I'm working on it.

Colored Post-its

 

Started noticing things I've never noticed before about colors.

Hard to describe.

Like for instance, when sorting different colored post-its I've been stopping at each one admiring it for half a minute or more, even after identifying what color it is... just admiring it... like getting really absorbed into the color... and then comparing colors with each other and going wowwww. It's like the tiniest thing is an adventure. I know it seems silly, maybe I'm mesmerized but I dunno... must be like blind people seeing for the first time.

In fact I just remembered a video of sunglasses that allowed colorblind people to see color... lemme look it up.

This is kinda like my reaction:

 

I understand perfectly what he's going through. Lol

Like waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhh!!!!

No words.



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@Utoo

Like for instance, when sorting different colored post-its I've been stopping at each one admiring it for half a minute or more, even after identifying what color it is... just admiring it... like getting really absorbed into the color... and then comparing colors with each other and going wowwww. It's like the tiniest thing is an adventure. I know it seems silly, maybe I'm mesmerized but I dunno... must be like blind people seeing for the first time.

That is really cool! Glad to hear you're doing better. I keep being reminded daily about paying attention. Owl keeps emphasizing concentration which I consider it to be the same if not very similar to being more cognizant and paying better attention. Your reports are making me want to revisit and work harder on this closed eyelids sight skill. I don't see it happening any time soon but geez it sounds like quite the experience.



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OrderedChaos wrote:

want to revisit and work harder on this closed eyelids sight skill


Please allow me to attach a few videos I personally found useful then:

 



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OrderedChaos wrote:

want to revisit and work harder on this closed eyelids sight skill


Please allow me to attach a few videos I found useful then:

 

Clairvoyance, from intuition to clairvoyance, to read with closed eyes #1
Clairvoyance, from intuition to clairvoyance, to read with closed eyes #1

Clairvoyance, from intuition to clairvoyance, to read with closed eyes #2
Clairvoyance, from intuition to clairvoyance, to read with closed eyes #2

InfoVision - International Olympic Contest
InfoVision - International Olympic Contest

Children With REAL SuperPowers (Third Eye)
Children With REAL SuperPowers (Third Eye)

InfoVision - Unusual Vision
InfoVision - Unusual Vision

InfoVision - Distance Vision
InfoVision - Distance Vision

Girl With SuperPowers Performs Body Scan (MUST SEE!)
Girl With SuperPowers Performs Body Scan (MUST SEE!)

InfoVision - Antrenament personal
InfoVision - Antrenament personal

Mark Komissarov - See without using Eyes
Mark Komissarov - See without using Eyes

Nova: The Case of ESP January 17, 1984
Nova: The Case of ESP January 17, 1984

peak perception
peak perception

Prajń Yoga (Intuition Process) | Yoga program for Kids and Teenagers
Prajń Yoga (Intuition Process) | Yoga program for Kids and Teenagers

puriwulandari_s_Channel_-_YouTube
puriwulandari_s_Channel_-_YouTube

Back In The Magic Zone
Back In The Magic Zone

Kuda Bux
Kuda Bux

Seeing without eyes Training 5
Seeing without eyes Training 5

An introduction to VibravisionŽ
An introduction to VibravisionŽ

Fahrradfahren mit blickdichter Maske - Sehen ohne Augen
Fahrradfahren mit blickdichter Maske - Sehen ohne Augen

Radiative Energy Transfer and Vibravision
Radiative Energy Transfer and Vibravision

The InfoVision Direct Visual Perception
The InfoVision Direct Visual Perception

Vibravision Foundation Blind Immersion Training
Vibravision Foundation Blind Immersion Training

VV Team at Walmart 6-6-17
VV Team at Walmart 6-6-17

 

 

OrderedChaos wrote:
sounds like quite the experience (...) Owl keeps emphasizing concentration

 And here's much more. Owl's longest post in this thread mentioned things beyond just seeing with eyes closed.



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Wow so many videos. I thought I was halfway through and then scrolled for eternity. I had a great idea and I know I've seen it before but people don't attribute it to something like this. There was a kid that could get in a helicopter and see a city once from the air and then draw it exactly as he saw it with perfect replication with measurements being precisely to scale. Personally I see it as he created a psychic overlay in the astral or did place himself in the astral and then would use those placements as markers for him to reach out to while drawing. Where I'm going with this is that you could overlay the third eye images with your normal eyes and then trace (draw) those images onto paper in perfect exactness. Regardless that little old lady that described her excitement of being able to see and had to ask confirmation her eyes were actually shut :'). So fun. Keep it up Utoo. I look forward to seeing how far you take this.

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OrderedChaos, I remember that kid:)



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OrderedChaos wrote:

look forward to seeing


 Me too... I've also been looking forward recently. Not much, though... just few seconds.

 

OrderedChaos wrote:

how far you take this


 First video in this thread is entitled "Psychic test". After watching that video was the first time I was able to "look forward".

 

Other videos since then were similar... like this one by TreborSeven where he explains the method and ends with a final test aimed at identifying a sequence of zener cards before they're shown in the video:

 

ESP TUTORIAL How to Read ESP Cards w Clairvoyance, Intuition, Telepathy, psi

(ESP TUTORIAL How to Read ESP Cards w Clairvoyance, Intuition, Telepathy, psi )

 

It was understanding these things that made me search my memory and remembering that the only time I was exposed to the concept previously was when watching a movie entitled "Next (2007)".

 

Only remembered that it was the movie with the worst special effects I'd ever seen... but remembering it again now, the story started coming back too, and it was about someone who could see what was gonna happen next.

 

The movie is just the first 5 minutes, everything afterwards is filler:

 

 

So, just like in the movie, three weeks ago began dabbling around with the concept. After one week of random attempts started comparing methods. And last week optimized the best one, and this happened:

 

Daily bets

 

Now, I made a few guidelines that need to be followed, and the red circle was yesterday when I got distracted and didn't follow those guidelines.

 

Need to keep practicing to get used to not making mistakes.

 

From the beginning the objective was only to achieve statistically significant results that could give a minimal favorable edge of 5-10% in order to be practically usable while remaining small enough to go by unnoticed...

 

Just like in the movie: "no mega-jackpots, no long shots. The idea is to go unnoticed. That way, I can keep coming back".

 

The initial aim was 5 daily wining bets, but last week some days I've been tired, other days I've been busy practicing other things, or I just needed a day off to unwind, etc, but I've been managing to pull on average 2.5 winning bets daily with a 32% edge over the house as the log shows:

 

Daily bets

 

Despite 62 bets in a week not being big enough of a sample yet, if I had done things right yesterday those numbers would have been 3.2 daily bets with 38% edge instead... and that's problematic.

 

Was aiming at winning only 55-60% of the time, but winning 88% of the time while the house wins just 12% is too conspicuous.

 

I thought getting the outcome right would have been the hard part, but apparently the hard part is gonna be avoiding getting kicked out of the casino.

 

Rotating houses on a regular basis is another necessary guideline to be added in order to keep things smooth.

 

Anyways, this week was just to practically test my performance and of the method using the smallest possible bets, but now need a couple of days of rest and afterwards still have a tiny bit more work ahead of me before getting there.

 

The whole point of acquiring money using my rudimentary skills is to save enough to dedicate myself to progressing and developing.

 

That's the point of all this... and is my goal for 2020.

Well,now you know.

This is gonna be fun.



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I kind of worry that limiting yourself to avoid getting kicked out of the casino would actually inhibit you later when you want to do 100%. Are you building triggers to keep this isolated from your main practice?

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As someone who has won thousands with mind powers in casinos; I can tell you that at least in Atlantic City, they like psychics having a winning streak. Winning streaks create excitement & inspire others to take more risks. Just do your best & have fun. If the really want to stop you, they just plant a cooler near you. Essentially, a cooler is a psychic with a negative energy aura who breaks your flow.

Most of the time they wouldn't bother because most psychics lack the concentration to win in a casino for too long anyway. It happened to me once though.

P.S. I also really love that Nick Cage movie.



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Haha, I've never heard of a cooler. That's awesome. It seems everyone can find a purpose if they're in the right place at the right time. It's all about perspective I guess.

Owl, did you feel a noticeable change when they placed a cooler next to you? What was it like?

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OrderedChaos, It felt like a very intense psychic attack, which made it harder to concentrate & put me in an angry mood suddenly. Compared with the movie the guy I faced was actively attacking, rather than just being a drain. It was like a psychic vampire multiplied by 1,000.

Anyway, I actually confronted the guy & told him to move somewhere else. I must have worn some "I'll curse you", vibes on my face because he complied. The negative energy field dissipated after that.

Lot's of psychics can be found in casinos though:



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Thanks for sharing that. I would have never even conceived of such a thing.

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OrderedChaos wrote:

limiting yourself to avoid getting kicked out of the casino would actually inhibit you later when you want to do 100%


Indeed, but no need to hold back... diluting the results is simpler.

More importantly: no matter how high the success rate is, each profitable bet, has been taking between 30min and 1h, leading to exhaustion and making it difficult to achieve the targeted 5 daily profitable bets.

But few days ago figured out how to solve both the "holding back" issue as well as the daily exhaustion issue and what used to take 5 or 6 hours every day now takes well under an hour.

Tested the improvment for a few days and few hours ago put it to practice and never seen such good results in such short time.

Complete breeze. Feels like a pleasure again rather than a burden.

 

OrderedChaos wrote:

building triggers to keep this isolated from your main practice?


Pretty sure over next few months THIS will become the main practice. Opportunity of a lifetime, after all.

By the way, ditched the flashlight method to see with closed eyes after figuring out how those guys from the VibraVision method were doing it and it's much more convenient to just project energy out the hands instead.



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owltwelve wrote:

Winning streaks create excitement & inspire others to take more risks


Be seen as an asset rather than a liability. Good point.

 

owltwelve wrote:

most psychics lack the concentration to win in a casino for too long


Two weeks at it might not be much, but at all time high today.

Regarding concentration, the last 7 days were mostly for studying weaknesses and pitfalls in order to learn and avoid them later on.

Mistakes at the beginning are cheap but later down the line they are costly. And now is the time to make them.

Don't want to, for example, receive unexpected bad news one day and be plunged into a downward spiral. Also, better look into this useful concentration thread too, thanks.

owltwelve wrote:

do your best & have fun


 Lol, indeed... Those who run with pleasure don't get tired. And that makes a world of difference

As confirmed by the data: 

 

Concentration test

Red is one week of experimentation with sleep deprivation, addictive habits, boredom, lack of motivation, worries, stress, etc, while green is 4 hours in bliss (for lack of better word), and yellow is exact spot of the decision to turn off social media, mindless activities, addictive habits, silly people, etc, leading the results to turn around drastically in a matter of hours.

Highly unlikely to be any coincidence since also noticed the same correlation first few weeks after starting to dabble into this when some bad news arrived that shook me up to the point of not being able to sleep at night and I was always thinking to myself "I'm screwed, I'm screwed, I'm screwed" and I lost for the first time that day only to quickly realize later what had happened and that I had actually been sabotaging myself during the whole 2 hour long session because it was in the precise exact very moment when I ended that session that things instantly changed in my favor.

Today had confirmation of exact same phenomenon.

Maybe that's why in seminars for learning to see without eyes people are always jovially complementing each other in friendly good mood... perhapsitt facilitates things and makes a noticeable practical difference in results.

At least now I know what needs to be kept closely monitored in myself, in my daily life and in state of mind.



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Heyyyyy, missed everyone 

 

Quarantine's easing up a bit around here.

 

Over 3 months hibernating preserving all strength. What a stretch.

 

Vividly remember falling asleep 3 distinct times with such chest pain due to weakness that the risk of heart failure mid-sleep was a real concern.

 

But once access to food stopped being blocked by the geniuses in charge recovery was smooth.

 

What a joke, defeating an incurable virus only to almost be done in by starvation.

 

Unemployed and soon homeless but alive. HAHA  have to resume things.

 

Curious how others have been doing.

 

Many people locked at home for months eventually gave this a try out of boredom and got good at it.

 

Speed of progress between kids and adults is always fun to watch.

 

Take these 2 youtubers who have been practicing for last few months:

 

Me - Daniah Mandegary vs Seeing Blindfolded Practice - Rob Freeman

 

What a difference.

 

Having someone to teach or encourage definitely prevents one from getting disoriented, lost and hopeless.

 

Just like a psiwheel is for telekinesis, seeing without eyes is just an introduction to the practice since some people report precog and telepathy (when practicing with a partner) and this becomes easier as they go along... but the hardest thing is letting go of the idea that it should be hard.

 

Personally, after first couple weeks repeatedly stumbling in the dark to devise a method all alone by trial and error, imagine the surprise of finding that some of these people who paid upwards of $4000/month to be taught were doing things the exact same way.

 

Find the disturbance of your hand moving in the darkness, locate the tip of your finger to use as guide and read what's next to it, they said.

 

Now those seem self-evident obvious baby steps, but when starting out drifting in the middle of nowhere completely lost without a clue, even the smallest guidance makes enormous difference. LOL

 

But now scrolling back through these pages, all the necessary things are already in this thread. How good it would have been to know these things myself when starting out.

 

But the similarities were even beyond that... even to the point of finding people who had the exact same idea of taping the sheets of paper in between the letters for tactile feedback to better locate them with the eyes closed:

 

 


Paper sheets with shspes taped in between

 

Human ingenuity is really something. hehe

 

Of course it helps when the tape is same color as the background to be indistinguishable when looking at it but easily felt when touched.

 

But now after being able to read on screens just decided to go totally digital trying kids flashcards apps at first but since pictures were small, colors wrong, some information unnecessarily confusing and sounds a bit off, so.. better share with you guys my custom made ones better suited to learn seeing without eyes which made it much easier due to being optimized which gave a feeling of ease and pleasure when using them.

 

Easy to download the Eyeless_Flashcards.zip with sounds or just the cards.

 

Quick sidenote: reading on screens is exactly like on paper and my initial difficulty with it was solely based on the conviction that it was difficult... nothing more.

 

Anyways, this helped me speed up a lot:

 

 

Eyeless fladhcards 

 

  • Just choose category
  • Single tap for next card
  • Double tap speaks (helps avoiding losing focus when removing blindfold to check. Similar to having a partner helping you)

 

It's on easy settings but removing the stuff with the double bars // adds lots more. Working well on Opera mobile with landscape being better suited for long words.

 

Saves on binders of printed sheets, boxes of colored objects, cards of figures and even saves on needing a session partner.

 

Of course it doesn't replace the outdoor fun but having it in your pocket is convenient. Enjoy

 



-- Edited by Utoo on Saturday 25th of July 2020 02:53:34 AM

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Gotta think of new cool exercises for developing coordination/dexterity beyond drawing:

 

 

Coordination and dexterity



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I found it is interesting that this topic is discussed again. I find it simillar with the concept Ernst course. In his video course, he also has lessons to practice this kind of blindfold seeing and suggest we need to master this before doing telekinesis.

@Utoo, I wish you will get luck soon and doesn;t have to be homeless.

Best wishes

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