Psychokinesis

RyanMcD · Researcher

Pendulum to talk to "spirits" (I guess)

Shirak · International Psionics Researcher/Author/Journalist

I alway s thought using a pendulum may help access knowledge you already know or have access to like your subconscious. I dont know about the spirit thing though. um mabe some experiments. It sort of falls into the divining aspect of pk.
Some people can even find water with that discipline. A geologist friend of mine swears the stick he uses is forced down when near the water. He said he thinks humans can detect the current generated by running water under ground.
This is eme sensitivity a well documented proven ability of some sensitive humans. However the kicker is that I think when the subconscious detects this current flow it uses pk to force the stick down. MAbe research more on divining if you are interested in this.
I tried the yes no thing it worked and I think it was my subconscious taping into the unified quantum field that is all.

Cavalorn · Psiontist

RyanMcD, please be carefull when calling onto spirits. Be sure to ask three times "Are you a good spirit?" The third answer should be the truth.

I remember this from the ouija board, try to look it up before continuing.

I think both things are possible, the subconscious doing PK or a spirit answering. Although I hope it is the subconscious thing.

RyanMcD · Researcher

Hmm, thanks for the answers.

Id like to start off by saying, if that is my subconcious then I would love to tap into it because that necklace was going crazy!

Cavalorn, I did not know that... I really hope it is my subconsious because I don't want to have to open up that can of worms right now. I'm going to ask 3 times right now.......

Said yes 3 times.

I also asked to speak to my higher self (wikipedia recommended it :P). I asked a lot of crazy questions about aliens and 2012. Some answers were forward and back which means "I can't tell you". I am not sure what is doing this, and I don't want to give any ideas, I want you guys to ask some questions and tell me your answers. It will be a little experiment to see what answers you get. If my answers were right then we don't have much time. Ask these questions and any other you want to add:

(Ask for your higher self and reiterate that you are indeed taking to your higher self, whatever that is)

See if you can ask who they are and try to figure it out on your own. Start out general and get specific.

Ask if they help you with TK.

Ask if they will tell you their intent.

Ask if they have good intent.

Ask if we (as in earth) are doing good in our practices.

Ask if it has something to do with the year 2012.

Ask if it is easy for them to talk to you right now.

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Just an experiment. Please participate and put your answers and findings up on here if you feel comfortable. I'm not comfortable with what I heard so I want to see some contradictions. I tried not to give anything away that I may have gotten.

On a side note, what timezones are you guys? I'm -5 US/Canada Eastern Standard. By the looks of it you guys are somewhere else, lol. You posted like ~4 am my time hmm

-- Edited by RyanMcD at 17:42, 2008-03-11

Cavalorn · Psiontist

Am. I am not sure I am following. First you say that I should ask for my higher self, but then again I should ask who they are?
I really do not want to talk to spirits in this world in an awake state. I am most certain that it would drive me nuts.
If the response really comes from the subconscious, then you could also "think" the question. Therefore, as you have to say it aloud, I do not want to meddle with it. My religion also forbids to tap into the Unseen, unless it taps into you, if I understood it correctly.

Also, do you hold the pendulum in your hand or did you attach it somewhere?

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offtopic: I am in central europe, which is GMT+1. Shirak is, if I am not mistaken, in Australia.

RyanMcD · Researcher

You have to hold it. Theres nothing to be afraid of, lol. I'm fine anyway...

I say to ask who it is to see if you get the same result I got... As in your higher self maybe someone else... I don't want to give anything away. You can thinkk the questions to make it work, so it could be your subconcious.

I am not religious so I can't help you there, lol. Religion mostly just gets in the way of life so I don't follow one.

Someone who is comfortable wth this please try it out and let me know your results.

-- Edited by RyanMcD at 23:22, 2008-03-11

Cavalorn · Psiontist

So thinking the question also works for you?

I prepared my pendulum, I used a piece of thread and a chinese-like coin (cant recognize anything but a "50" on it), one of those that has a hole in the centre. I think the question, but can't get anything out. After concentrating a bit, I get rotational motion which seems unnatural (stop at position, wait 1 sec, resume) and it seems as it is tuning to something. To think of it, it is the same behaviour as I get with the "matchstick+needle in a bottle" exercise.

About the religion part, I hope one day we can exchange opinions on that.

Shirak · International Psionics Researcher/Author/Journalist

I choose to believe this is my subconscious at work acting through my biofield to create pk or muscular movement in the string. Perhaps start by moving psi wheel to get into pk mindest then do pendulum to test this hypothesis. (ill do it and post later)
I am hesitant to ask long range questions as I believe the future in this timeline anyway has not yet been written so can be changed. Even if someone came from the future them being here would change everything afterwards and create a new timeline. This new timeline would not affect what has already happened in this persons original timline.
However if the person stayed they could live in this new timeline they helped to create making a new future.
This all ties into alternate realities/timelines/universes and is very interesting best described using some mathematical proof we have for tachyons and the proven experiments of quantum teleportation and triple entanglement.

Cavalorn · Psiontist

Well, I gathered some courage and asked for an answer in like a whisper tone. First I asked for God, then for my higher self, then for my spirit guide and seeing no response I said what the heck, "If there is anybody listening, please respond" (well, maybe the previous questions weren't politically correct haha). What a shocker, I got like 0 responses, zero, nada, nil. :)

I do however think that you should continue your work and also hope that you will disclose more of your findings.

RyanMcD · Researcher

Cavalorn wrote:

Well, I gathered some courage and asked for an answer in like a whisper tone. First I asked for God, then for my higher self, then for my spirit guide and seeing no response I said what the heck, "If there is anybody listening, please respond" (well, maybe the previous questions weren't politically correct haha). What a shocker, I got like 0 responses, zero, nada, nil. :)

I do however think that you should continue your work and also hope that you will disclose more of your findings.

Hmm, strange that you didn't get anything. I find that asking simple questions to things that I may not understand helps a lot. Like to ask yes/no questions (in my head) to find out why I am having trouble with the psiwheel one day. I ask "will I ever truly understand what is being done here" and got a yes. I asked "do I really need to use my hands" and got a yes... now that is something I have a hard time believing but I will soon ask more questions about why the hands are needed.

I asked about things like alien implants, I was told by the pendulum that I have one in each thumb and that a cat scan would reveal them (that took a lot of questions). I plan to get a scan done so I can to see the validity of this. If there is nothing there then someone is probably messing with me and I will discontinue any pendulum work. If there is then I have a lot more questions to ask... I'm not sure if my insurance covers random cat scans or how to get a doctor to do one for me and fool my insurance though... It's quite creepy to think about but I can't just randomly believe any of this stuff yet. Although I have seen many articles and pictures of people who have things implanted in their hands. I hope it isn't true!

Shirak · International Psionics Researcher/Author/Journalist

RyanMcD wrote:

(Ask for your higher self and reiterate that you are indeed taking to your higher self, whatever that is)
Shirak :-I asked if it was my subconscious higher mind Answer yes

Ryan:-See if you can ask who they are and try to figure it out on your own. Start out general and get specific.

Shirak:-My answers
Ask if subconsious will help you with TK. YES

A pk personal related goal question (Definate yes)

Ask if we (as in earth) are doing good in our practices. YES

Ask if it has something to do with the year 2012. Yes ok this one was weird it went clockwise for yes however the pendulum piece spun in the opposite direction to the direction it was swinging out of character to the many other questions I tested.

This may be a way to find the answer to something I already know deep down. Interesting Also I Isolated my wrist and held my thum and forfinger tightly

I beleive I am gmt +10 I usually see Cavalorn on in the morning when I get up before work after my training session.
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-- Edited by Shirak Omega X at 08:52, 2008-03-13

Cavalorn · Psiontist

RyanMcD wrote:

Hmm, thanks for the answers.

Id like to start off by saying, if that is my subconcious then I would love to tap into it because that necklace was going crazy!

Cavalorn, I did not know that... I really hope it is my subconsious because I don't want to have to open up that can of worms right now. I'm going to ask 3 times right now.......

Said yes 3 times.

I also asked to speak to my higher self (wikipedia recommended it :P). I asked a lot of crazy questions about aliens and 2012. Some answers were forward and back which means "I can't tell you". I am not sure what is doing this, and I don't want to give any ideas, I want you guys to ask some questions and tell me your answers. It will be a little experiment to see what answers you get. If my answers were right then we don't have much time. Ask these questions and any other you want to add:

(Ask for your higher self and reiterate that you are indeed taking to your higher self, whatever that is)

See if you can ask who they are and try to figure it out on your own. Start out general and get specific.

Ask if they help you with TK.

Ask if they will tell you their intent.

Ask if they have good intent.

Ask if we (as in earth) are doing good in our practices.

Ask if it has something to do with the year 2012.

Ask if it is easy for them to talk to you right now.

__________________

Just an experiment. Please participate and put your answers and findings up on here if you feel comfortable. I'm not comfortable with what I heard so I want to see some contradictions. I tried not to give anything away that I may have gotten.

On a side note, what timezones are you guys? I'm -5 US/Canada Eastern Standard. By the looks of it you guys are somewhere else, lol. You posted like ~4 am my time

-- Edited by RyanMcD at 17:42, 2008-03-11

Am. It worked today :o I don't know what to make of it. Control questions like

Is my car white? YES
Is my car red? NO

Is my brother able to walk like a normal person? NO (he is handicapped)
Is my brother able to write like a normal person? YES

Is Tai Chi bad for my health? NO
Is Tai Chi good for my health? YES

Is this my higherself? YES
Is this my subconscious? NO
(I've repeated this like 10 times at least, with some other questions in between, always got the same)

Is a (specific) girl attracted to me? Uncharateristic answer.
Am I attracted to her? YES

There were some other questions. I then paused a bit, went to the bathroom. Came back and asked for my higher self again. But something else happened. Something or someone interviened, the third time I asked are you a good spirit the answer was no, as the first two were yes. I asked some control questions and they were correct, but at some point the pendulum went dead. Interesting.

EDIT:
Is it hard for you to respond to me? YES
Is it easy for you to respond to me? NO

Is everyone able to do PK? NO
Am I at the moment capable of doing PK? NO
Should I continue to practice PK? NO
(going to work on those questions some more)

Is Obama going to be the democrat running for president? NO
Will Clinton be the democratic candidate? YES
Will McCain the be republican canditate? YES
Will Clinton win the election? NO
Will McCain win the election? YES

Am I going to see a car accident on my way to the faculty today? YES
(a simple control question that has yet to happen. lets see about that)

Went dead again. I forgot to ask if this is a good spirit. A malevolent spirit could send positive answers to the "is this my higher self?" question.

-- Edited by Cavalorn at 13:01, 2008-03-13

RyanMcD · Researcher

Wow, awesome! Thank you for that. It is very interesting isn't it?

To the questions about the higher self, when I asked for my higher self and made sure thats who it was I then asked if the higher self was another me. It said no. I asked if it was an alien, it said yes. Thats what started to creep me out a bit.

Please dont think I'm crazy, lol, but this is just what the pendulum said. Nothing is to be believed until further proven:

What I got out of the pendulum that day was that in 2012 something was going to happen and they are pushing for us to learn PK so we can defend against it or be ready for it or something to that effect. Haven't asked enough questions to get specifics on the last part. I was told if I don't start tai chi now I wont learn in time (because of the concentration benefits).

Thats something I'm willing to do though, lol, I'm sure tai chi wont harm me.

Very interesting answers. All I know is that we should be careful because we can never know who it is. As long as we don't take the answers 100% we will be fine. I will try to do some more when I get time to see if there are more consistencies. Thank you again for contributing!

-- Edited by RyanMcD at 14:48, 2008-03-13

Shirak · International Psionics Researcher/Author/Journalist

Cavalorn when it said no you should not learn tk it could be that it is afraid of what you will accomplish and what good you could do. I make it a point not to invite spirits to be channelled through me this is inviting them to have some control over your body/muscles. That is why I choose for the answers to come from me.
Please please Ryan and Cavalorn don't get mixed up in channeling spirits. Praying for answers is different if that is what you believe in. However channeling the wrong entity they will lie there is nothing to say they must tell the truth. Believe in yourself and your ability to find the truth that is within and that is connected all around. I believe in my ability to discern truth and so should you.
your true pk essence is truth an truth is what you connect to when you are in the pk mindset. Please do not look to spirits for answers look within we are all connected by a unified quantum field and it is through this through this field you can project your consciousness to learn what you need. Other "entities" will use you and direct you for their own selfish needs remember they no longer have a body to do their will on this earth so they must manipulate others. Well I can only ask and offer my advise only you will know by asking yourself if what I say is true.

-- Edited by Shirak Omega X at 22:06, 2008-03-13

Cavalorn · Psiontist

RyanMcD wrote:

Wow, awesome! Thank you for that. It is very interesting isn't it?

To the questions about the higher self, when I asked for my higher self and made sure thats who it was I then asked if the higher self was another me. It said no. I asked if it was an alien, it said yes. Thats what started to creep me out a bit.
REPLY: Actually, alien is a common term. Doesn't mean anything actually.

Please dont think I'm crazy, lol, but this is just what the pendulum said. Nothing is to be believed until further proven:

What I got out of the pendulum that day was that in 2012 something was going to happen and they are pushing for us to learn PK so we can defend against it or be ready for it or something to that effect. Haven't asked enough questions to get specifics on the last part. I was told if I don't start tai chi now I wont learn in time (because of the concentration benefits).
REPLY: OK something is definitely going to happen in 2012. At the very least the stuff that is written on wikipedia. :)
Don't forget that your higher self could be using symbolism of the general picture.
I definitely don't take this one seriously. I surrender to the will of God. Or, I'll find you and you'll protect me :)

Thats something I'm willing to do though, lol, I'm sure tai chi wont harm me.
REPLY: Confirmed by "my higher self" :)

Very interesting answers. All I know is that we should be careful because we can never know who it is. As long as we don't take the answers 100% we will be fine. I will try to do some more when I get time to see if there are more consistencies. Thank you again for contributing!

-- Edited by RyanMcD at 14:48, 2008-03-13

In reply to Shirak: don't worry, I am already thinking that it is basically a bad idea. OK I have seen and experienced it, but I am not sure I wan't to continue with it. Definitely not going to "explore the future". But, if this source can be verified, imagine what source of information could it represent about yourself.

Edgar Cayce used a trance state to diagnose people mentally and physically and to give future predictions, historic explanation (atlantis, lemuria) etc. All he needed of the person is it's name and current location. One theory is that he could connect to the collective subconsciousness and then tune to the vibrations of the individual, where he could get all of the information needed to treat the patient's body/mind. What if there is a way to connect to that source by yourself? Why would individuals not have the right to heal themselves if the exact information is available?

So I am interested more into the inside than the outside. I seriously do not want any contact with anyone in the Unseen.

Also, it could all be a farce or misinterpretation, since all the questions are highly suggestive. But some of my answers were definitely not what I wanted to hear. Anyway, the case is still not closed for me :)

-- Edited by Cavalorn at 22:40, 2008-03-13

RyanMcD · Researcher

I am totally ending all pendulum work. Even though I talk in my head the answers were all getting mixed up. When I asked 3 time if they were lying the third time I got a yes. I then asked a bunch of questions that I had asked before and got different responses (in other words there was a lot of other lies).

A lot happened but it It all ended with a white candle. That was the end for me, I'm not going back.

Shirak · International Psionics Researcher/Author/Journalist

I agree it would be a useful tool for self analysis if properly developed Cavalorn and it is good to see you know about Edgar. Ok I should have probably been more clear there is a definate difference between dowsing/divining and Channeling.
Dowsing/divining comes from your PK and connection to the unified field.
Channeling is using a spirits connection to the unified field and in return for your laziness of developing your own connection they get the use of your body and that is just something I am not prepared to do.
You have the power to find truth within so believe in that power know yourself. Know when your not being honest with yourself its a feeling right? When something your doing isnt true to yourelf? Or true to what your core beliefs are?
Ryan I think that if doing it makes you have that its not quite right feeling then it probably isnt.
However I was thinking along the line of a coat hanger dowsing training excercise (PK)
Get someone to hide a cell phone under a box in a room have four boxes. Have a blindfold on so you dont see their expression coming out of the room go in the room remove the blindfold.
Now use your dowsing rod rods to find the box the cell phone is under do this several times see if you can get better at this. This should develop your eme sensitivity and dowsing ability. I have several historical accounts of Soldiers trained in this to find land mines durring the veitnam war, It has to be reliable if they were using it. Anyway I will try this when I get some time. Good PK party game to!!

RyanMcD · Researcher

Hmm, sounds like a cool thing to try smile I will definitely have to try it sometime

-- Edited by RyanMcD at 15:41, 2008-03-14

Shirak · International Psionics Researcher/Author/Journalist

lol we should start a pk party game thread I know there is one with index fingers and a person sitting on a chair

Cavalorn · Psiontist

Hey, I experimented some more, take a look at my journal thread.