Psychokinesis

owltwelve · International Psionics Researcher/Author/Journalist

RE: Obe/PK

Sussch · International Psionics Researcher/Author/Journalist

Wow, that must've been quite an experience.

Treasure Hunter · International Psionics Researcher & Theorist

Owltwelve I wonder if in fact your energy was spiralling in your body, sounds quite intense with your experience and also the cats experience

owltwelve · International Psionics Researcher/Author/Journalist

From my conscious perspective; it felt as though I was spinning in a jar extremely fast:)

owltwelve · International Psionics Researcher/Author/Journalist

From my own experience, I have found this technique to be very useful, not only for OBEs & lucid dreams, but PK as well:)

-- Edited by owltwelve on Saturday 12th of February 2011 10:38:02 PM

owltwelve · International Psionics Researcher/Author/Journalist

Lucid Dream & OBE:

Staying longer, and getting there from a waking state with tactile visualization, or layering you sensory immersion.

Maintaining

Wakefulness-Lucidity-OBE - no sleep required

adan7777 · Tourist

Hello you may try this technique, lay down free your soul, first see your self been beware of very sense of your surrounding the physical and the non physical.
Know that your soul is not same as you physical body stand up your soul body go for a walk, do not meet any one or animals if you see any one coming to you walk
away, or wake up.
good luck

Adan7777

I know other technique that are more user friendly see you next time.

Wyrm · Psiontist with the lot

wait a tick, so basically we are all gods in the sense that we create our own realities? Makes you wonder about the the Ancient Greek culture. Is it possible they are from another realm and created this one, and there for we are just consciousness born from someones thoughts? If that is so, then can we trully switch realms and make one all our own. I have always been good at creating worlds and scenes, kinda like they were movies. I would see them, feel them, taste them, hear them, it was amazing but i always thought it was an overactive imagination. I think i am putting things together now...its all coming together.

owltwelve · International Psionics Researcher/Author/Journalist

Hey Wyrm, that is a skill that you should never let go of; it's what children do naturally but it gets beat out of most of them.

This is only my point of view, but the way I understand it is that there is only one of us, or one consciousness which is infinitely fractured. I usually describe it with the dream phenomenon. In dreams, there are many places, people, & things, but they are all instances of your consciousness. This is a big clue to the nature of reality in general, espescially if you understand fractals & holograms.

I terms of Rich's video above, I think the extent to which you can shift your consciousness away for your body & the will others impose upon you, the more control over your experience you will have. This applies not only to lucid dreaming & OBEs, but every other psi skills. As Sussch mentions in his blog; you can awaken to the sandbox nature of it all more & more.

Another clue besides dreams, are MMORPGs. You are immersing your consciousness into an avatar you create & a world with different rules more & more each time you play. When I was playing City of Heroes, I got so deep into it, that I was having telepathy with the other players. My team had all reached the highest level in the game, so I decided that we needed new powers which the game wasn't offering. Then, low & behold, we all developed telepathy while we played.

You are God, & this is all your dream:)

-- Edited by owltwelve on Sunday 20th of February 2011 04:40:51 AM

Wyrm · Psiontist with the lot

I play Dungeons and Dragons and my mind always creates these complex worlds where every character i can imagine thrive. Huge cultures, worlds, universes, gods, goddesses, everything is real and i am just one aspect of the entirety. Yet i am all, i can see things from everyone's perspective, i see so many things. I have even tried to write a book or two upon these things i can see and make up, but i could never find the worlds to describe what i see and make. The only way you can know is if you see it for yourself. So amazing and breath taking, full of adventure and fun, at the same time very dark and always overbearing. A constant battle that is never won nor lost. Just the way i like things.

owltwelve · International Psionics Researcher/Author/Journalist

Interesting short interview with a neurosurgeon about OBEs & the nature of consciousness:)

owltwelve · International Psionics Researcher/Author/Journalist

An interesting talk on Lucid Dream potential in studying psi phenomenon. I think it's especially interesting because, I grew up with a dream figure who would teach me things about PK.

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-- Edited by owltwelve on Wednesday 9th of March 2011 04:48:12 AM

owltwelve · International Psionics Researcher/Author/Journalist

Tips for meditation induced OBEs

Sussch · International Psionics Researcher/Author/Journalist

@owltwelve: Thank you for the videos. From the first ones I liked the lucid dreams and parapsychology. Quite inspiring and thought-provoking..

It reminded me of a few experiences where I was in a half-dream state (not deep enough to be lost in the dreams and not awake enough to feel in the body) and performing pk. It's interesting that in this state, everything seems to work a lot easier.

Thinking back on this from the lucid dream perspective, it might just have been real and someone's lightbulb might have gotten shattered:

http://sussch-daweird.blogspot.com/2009/12/losing-control.html

Somewhat more recently I was kind of sleeping in a lecture .. listening to what the lecturer was saying from the half-dream state (with other senses shut off). I noticed that the classroom door was still open and people were walking by, talking. I considered it somewhat annoying and thought I should wake up and close the door. Bang, the door closed and I startled awake. There was nobody near the door and before the door closing, there hadn't been any wind (no door swinging).

Edit: It closed gently (more like a click instead of a bang). I think I woke up slightly before it had fully closed.

I think I turned the TV off from a half-dream state:

http://sussch-daweird.blogspot.com/2011/01/swollen-heart-and-invisible-dog.html

When falling asleep from a meditation session, sometimes something similar happens. I'm suddenly at some random place, performing pk on something and everything feels more real. Usually I just see people, places and images that are totally foreign to me.

To make it sound less bloated of egoism and filled with suspicious points of view on the phenomena, here are a few ideas:

Practicing pk in lucid dreams, while lucidly dreaming about what's around us .. this might seriously boost pk progress. Levitating one's body from a lucid dream, snapping back and remembering the feelings, then doing it again and so on. Or slowing down hurricanes from lucid dreams, gathering info on enlightenment via these dreams and so on.. the possibilities seem endless.

Hm, what's the difference between lucid dreaming and OBE?

To me it seems like it might be easier from a lucid dream than an OBE, because we might consider us more in the role of creators in lucid dreams. Though, I guess there actually shouldn't be much of a difference other than what we think that there is.

-- Edited by Sussch on Sunday 13th of March 2011 08:17:51 AM

owltwelve · International Psionics Researcher/Author/Journalist

I think the difference between Lucid Dreams & OBEs, at least in my experience so far, is the rate of vibration & how awake you are. For instace, I've noticed after having many lucid dreams, that there have been varrying degrees of lucidity, relative to how emotionally lead around by the experience I am. For example, it's common to become lucid; get excited by the power to create or explore, & then forget that I'm dreaming(now it's just a normal dream).

In his videos, Rich, talks about using meditation skills to quite the mind enough so that you are not creating against your will. I have found that this is an important point, no matter what level of reality you find yourself in. So, in waking reality if I have more control over my mind, I can better see things as they are, as the Buddhists would say. I become more aware of feel, & make use of vibrations beyond the 5 senses. If my body is asleep, I can raise to greater & greater levels of awakening; lucid dreams become more vivid & easier to control, or I go into a full blown OBE altogether.

I actually don't thing it's an OBE as most people seem to visualize it, where a finite energy body leaves the shell of flesh. I feel like we are always out of body infinately, but are very focused on these bodies, but I digress:)

When I perform PK normally, it feels like Bi-location, or a partial OBE. THe same is true for me with Telepathy, empathy, & every other psi skill. I actually think it's all one skill, or ability, which we fracture into labels depending on what we wish to use it for.

I have to say that I agree, then that training PK in these states is of definite value, especially since as I become more proficient at waking OBEs; my PK & other psi skills seem to be improving along with it. Also, I thingk it's good practice because things tend to manifest immediately in astral worlds:)

Sussch · International Psionics Researcher/Author/Journalist

True, it's a matter of how different people have defined it for themselves.

Although it might seem too obvious for others, I think I realized something new for myself again. Thank you..

Edit:

Thank you for Rich's videos as well. Some other gaps in my understanding have also been filled.. smile

-- Edited by Sussch on Sunday 13th of March 2011 09:08:43 AM

owltwelve · International Psionics Researcher/Author/Journalist

Stephen LaBerge - Lucid Dreaming

Interview

Lecture

-- Edited by owltwelve on Sunday 13th of March 2011 10:11:21 AM

Sussch · International Psionics Researcher/Author/Journalist

..Wow.. O.O

The safety of lucid dreams makes me think of "Serial Experiments Lain". Which, I think is what he's saying in the lecture as well.

owltwelve · International Psionics Researcher/Author/Journalist

Yes! Lain was like my religion for many years, & among other things, strongly influenced the development of the owltwelve persona:)

owltwelve · International Psionics Researcher/Author/Journalist

Rich2150x talks about his 1st OBEs