Psychokinesis

Shirak · International Psionics Researcher/Author/Journalist

Breatharian proven by doctors.

Treasure Hunter · International Psionics Researcher & Theorist

Watched this a while ago its quite interesting. James seems so sure of hiself and why does he think that he would get automatically invited to check it out

-- Edited by Treasure Hunter on Wednesday 21st of March 2012 09:01:36 PM

Shirak · International Psionics Researcher/Author/Journalist

The "amazing" James Randi is not an authority on science he is an ex illusionist who has made his money and fame fooling people into believing that this stuff isn't real. I do not consider him an authority on anything in my world by his speech and manners towards this sort of phenomenon. He has set him self up as a worldly demigod authority on all things paranormal. He seeks immortality through his foundation and reputation all in all he has fooled many.

I will take the word of a team scientists and doctors over the words of an illusionist and charlatan. His efforts have set real study of these phenomenon back decades I personally will never kowtow to his projected authority as he is a biased observer with a vested interest in making all this phenomenon seem false.

Nox · International Psionics Journalist

This is good news. Another step in the right direction. Soon science will begin to relook at all things mystical with an open mind, and then things will really get interesting and fun!

shy · International Psionics Researcher & Theorist

Wow, that's amazing. This guy obviously isn't hurting himself or suffering. Funny that the only arguments James Randi had against the same guy who was under surveillance in the hospital in 2010 was speculation, claiming that not only was he lying but all the medical staff in the hospital was as well. I don't understand why people would take Randi's word over all those other people.

Nox · International Psionics Journalist

James conveniently forgot to mention how they measured the amount of water given to him before he would take his baths, and after to make sure all, or most at least, of the water was present. So as to show that he was not drinking it.... they took that possibility into consideration, and monitored for it. On top of that, he seriously plays down the precautions and conditions placed against the Yogi (Probably because they came back with positive results, and James didn't like that), so he can play up the fact that the Yogi is a fake, and the doctors are incompetent. He also makes mention at some point, that they really didn't monitor the man at all, and therefor he could have gotten away with eating and drinking while they weren't looking. Which is incorrect, as they monitored him around the clock. No food was even allowed into the room, if i remember correctly, as he didn't need to eat. So, no food, and lets say a few drops of water, once a day(?) is not enough to survive on for 14 days.

Mr. Randi Spun this story to make it sound like quackery. He did do a fairly good job of it too; as if i hadn't read more on it earlier, i may have believed him. However, i was privileged to more details on this experiment earlier, so i know he left out some very important details in order for him to spin it in a manner that makes it all sound like a Hoax.

Also, why was he expecting and invitation? He never once said he asked to go over there and test him himself; instead he worded it in a manner that made sound as if inviting him over was already expected, and that they deliberately hadn't as to avoid exposure. But the truth probably lies somewhere around, he never asked to go over there and test him himself, so they never thought to invite him, to which he then can say, he was never invited.

Also, i noticed he mentioned how sungazers show up on his challenge site from time to time, but instead of say he has personally tested them, or even had anyone else test them, and the results came back negative, he side-steps this, and just claims it in a manner as ridiculous and is self-evident, which needs no test. From the sounds of it, his challenge is no serious, and probably does not test serious claims very often, despite that's what the challenge and money are there for... right? I have been to his forums, and most of the challenges there are a lot of beating around the bush over really stupid conditions, often for long periods of time, until the person making the claim gives up, or the Randi challenge group deems the claimant is being unreasonable and they drop it all together. Few challenges actually go far enough to be tested, and they always find something to pick at so the can call him a fake and move on. I think they only let a few actually get tested to save face, as they have already made up there mind, and to test each claim seriously is too much work, so tiring the claimant out is easier.

I also hear he wont even test for TK anymore, as he claims there are too many ways to fake it.

Anyways, those were just some observations i made from the video there. Hehe

Nox · International Psionics Journalist

That actually was a pretty cool video, Treasure. :)

I did their 21 breaths with them... Afterwards, i felt tired... How out of shape am I if breathing tires me out?? o.O

Sussch · International Psionics Researcher/Author/Journalist

@Nox: Randi's job is not to prove yoga and pk real, but to disprove it. He's desperate about saving the current power structures.

Nox · International Psionics Journalist

I thought that was my point, that he already has his mind made up and he is mostly out to make sure nothing comes along to challenge it.

It's kind of sad, because Randi seems like a guy that besides his stubborn skepticism, probably would be a fun guy to hang out with, he seems like he would be anyways.

shy · International Psionics Researcher & Theorist

I just find it really perplexing that many cynics like Randi expect people like this to prove themselves and when they do the "skeptics" still don't acknowledge reality. What do they have to gain from keeping themselves and others so blind?

owltwelve · International Psionics Researcher/Author/Journalist

I think that people like Randi, gain consensus around a reality they wish to protect. Perhaps the idea of a world they don't understand or control, frightens them.

I personally feel that it's a waste of time to worry about convincing people with blind faith, who speak in absolutes & appoint themselves as an authority. James Randi, is no authority to me. I say if he wants to live in a bland world, then let him; it doesn't effect me one way or another. Why should psions give him energy, or submit to his approval?

I say, that an adult should decide their own reality, & have the courage of their convictions regardless of approval:)

shy · International Psionics Researcher & Theorist

Very true Owl. And I honestly feel kind of bad for people who are missing out on all the fun we are having. :D

owltwelve · International Psionics Researcher/Author/Journalist

Yeah, me too, but what are you gonna do? More super powers for us biggrin

shy · International Psionics Researcher & Theorist

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uwu · Interested

Let's assume for a moment here that Prahlad Jani Mataji genuinely did not have any food or water pass through his lips for 70 yrs straight. Let's also assume that for that 70 years he has never gotten himself wet so as to avoid absorption by moisture, though even if he did that, you would still expect severe detrimental health results. If he was able to live via by breathing alone, does it stand to reason that the rest of us can? No, that is absurdity. Some of us have a natural immunity to SARS-CoV-2 such that not only do we not get sick via symptoms, but also can't spread it to others. Is the fact that some people innately have such a natural immunity which isn't temporal an indicator that everyone else can achieve this immunity? After all, there are those whose bodies do not act well with the vaccines. Though this may seem like a false equivalence, the premise remains. For the sake of brevity, even if we assume breatharian has worked for Prahlad Jani Mataji for over 70 years, it does not follow that the same can be said of anyone else and likewise, just because he can do it, assuming he actually can, does not mean you nor I can do the same. Perhaps there are spirits and Mr. Prahlad Jani Mataji sir has simply gathered the favor of a select few. Maybe the cellular makeup of his being greatly differs from our own leading him to be rather curious anomaly, with the assumption that he is legit. Whatever the case may be, just because doctors have 'proven' breatharian, does not mean they have proven it to be universal for everyone.