Psychokinesis

Skepti2psychic · International Psionics Researcher/Author/Journalist

RE: Tithing and dontaing money for success

atious · Researcher

so much said about common sense blankstare

Joshua3109 · Psychokinetic Researcher

First what I would like to tackle is what you said Treasure Hunter:

" we should be doing it because of what your guru says if you have no experience yourself".

This comment struck a cord with me; I always believed you should preach what you sow. That is what I have done and will continue to do. I speak of my experiences and the things that I am doing and are working for me. I say what can be accomplished by doing certain acts as well, which seems to be what you are getting at. But knowing the results beforehand is what drives people to do things. You do not go to the gym with no intention on a result; you go there because you know you will look and feel a certain way if you do. This is a driving force in life, the desire for a known or expected result.

The purpose of life is to be "happier from this moment to the next" and this is what I am working towards. This is the desire of everybody in the world; it is obvious that people want to be happier.

I myself have a burning desire to make people happier and that is part of the reason I post on these boards. You are right Owltwelve about me not taking the time to get to know people though. I should have made more of an effort before! I was so caught up in the joy of sharing what I knew and living my life that it fell by the wayside.

This follows along with the reason I created this topic; I wanted to show what was working for me. I was so amazed at the results that I wanted to share it. The joy that rose in me, the energy boost, confirmed that it was the right thing to do. I took the time to write it out in an attempt to make you guys and myself happier!

Nox something you said stood out to me:

"Spreading goodness in the world is good. Charging to spread goodness, is greed"

This isnt right; Doctors charge money to help people dont they? They are spreading good by helping people.

Back to tithing though; there are 4 principles every Religion must follow.

1. Wealth

2. Love

3. Dharma (Right work)

4. To know God completely

The last principle is actually what brings on true happiness and the Siddhis as well. But you must take time to realize that last principle. There are multiple tracks to reach that goal, some are considered slow ways and others fast ways. Tithing is considered a fast way and I will explain why.

There is a story called the SatyaNarayan Katha; it is about a ritual that brings to you what you desire. When the people in the story do this ritual they then ask God for Wealth, Happiness and other things. If they say to God; "I will do the ritual later, give me this now" God gives them what they desire. But if the ritual is not done God takes away everything given and more.

It is said at the end of the story that the people who would perform this ritual consistently would live very prosperous lives and the be reborn as very spiritual beings. They would then die knowing God completely attaining Final Liberation (Ultimate Samadhi).

Here is the link to that story please go read it. http://www.angelfire.com/pa3/payalvinod/sai.html

The relation tithing has with that story is thus; tithing will in the end bring you to God. Tithing at the start will be material in nature for most; you will want money or fame. But as you realize God is there listening and replying to you all the time you begin to wonder and in time begin to move towards God. Ultimately you start to tithe to realize him and He gives it to you as He has everything before.

That is the divine purpose of tithing, it is not for material riches. It is to attain the Ultimate Bliss of Samadhi (Union with God) in the quickest possible way.

So to tell you what I do; I am now tithing to attain Samadhi. I am tithing to have money so I can go live with my Guru for a while. I am tithing for my Spiritual brother Matt to attain Samadhi and become rich. And when I spend hours on the phone speaking to my Guru, when he calls me because something came up he wanted to share with me. That is not greed, that is compassion and kindness. That is the reason I am More then happy to give money to my Guru; He has made me happier then I ever have been. He deserves it!

-- Edited by Joshua3109 on Monday 2nd of July 2012 12:16:35 AM

owltwelve · International Psionics Researcher/Author/Journalist

Joshua, I appreciate that you may have the desire to help others, but you are a human being. People usually resent it when another person says, "I am above you.", then projects their belief system as "The Way".

Happiness is an inside job; the meaning or purpose to life is subjective. I am an adult, & don't need another person to tell me how to be happy, especially if I didn't solicit them to. There are no shortage of religious, & political groups that want to tell me how to live. It lacks humility for anyone to assume that I am not already happy with my life, If I don't explicitly say, "hey I need help." I mean for all you Know, you could be talking to an enlightened being at anytime without realizing it.

I am not saying these things to argue with you, or malign your intentions. I am just reiterating the importance of humility in these matters. I train/study very hard & I'm older than most of the people on the forum. I have been in spiritual practice for most of my life. I share a lot of things that I have learned over the years in my journal, but I respect that my way is not the only way.

An example of this, is that I spend many hours a day in meditation. I also have been practicing Tantric celibacy for a couple of years. I have experienced profound levels of bliss & samadhi, though I still have a ways to go. I of course want to share these experiences with my friends, but I respect that they are on their own paths. I write down some of my experiences; sometimes others ask me about it & sometimes they don't. I think that this is fine, as people tend to see things when they are ready & in their own time. Sometimes, people gain insights that I never do, which makes perfect sense as I am only human as well, lol.

Is managing the lives of others so important? Why bother controlling the spirituality of others, when you could focus on your own? After all, your own experience, is the experience you know.

Why not keep a journal of your experiences here, on the forum? I would read it:)

Skepti2psychic · International Psionics Researcher/Author/Journalist

Well said O12 and I agree :)

I won't be posting on tithing section. I am giving to much energy to this and to this belife system. Gl every one. Ill post on my journal and other threads. PCE

Joshua3109 · Psychokinetic Researcher

owltwelve wrote:
Joshua, I appreciate that you may have the desire to help others, but you are a human being. People usually resent it when another person says, "I am above you.", then projects their belief system as "The Way".
Happiness is an inside job; the meaning or purpose to life is subjective. I am an adult, & don't need another person to tell me how to be happy, especially if I didn't solicit them to. There are no shortage of religious, & political groups that want to tell me how to live. It lacks humility for anyone to assume that I am not already happy with my life, If I don't explicitly say, "hey I need help." I mean for all you Know, you could be talking to an enlightened being at anytime without realizing it.
I am not saying these things to argue with you, or malign your intentions. I am just reiterating the importance of humility in these matters. I train/study very hard & I'm older than most of the people on the forum. I have been in spiritual practice for most of my life. I share a lot of things that I have learned over the years in my journal, but I respect that my way is not the only way.
An example of this, is that I spend many hours a day in meditation. I also have been practicing Tantric celibacy for a couple of years. I have experienced profound levels of bliss & samadhi, though I still have a ways to go. I of course want to share these experiences with my friends, but I respect that they are on their own paths. I write down some of my experiences; sometimes others ask me about it & sometimes they don't. I think that this is fine, as people tend to see things when they are ready & in their own time. Sometimes, people gain insights that I never do, which makes perfect sense as I am only human as well, lol.
Is managing the lives of others so important? Why bother controlling the spirituality of others, when you could focus on your own? After all, your own experience, is the experience you know.
Why not keep a journal of your experiences here, on the forum? I would read it:)

Owltwelve thank you for the thoughtful reply I appreciate it. I am not meant to be confined to an online journal alone though. I am meant to spread the teaching of Yoga throughout the world as Paramhansa Yogananda did. I am not meant to focus on my own spiritual development my entire life; I have others to care about as well.

I may start a journal here though; that or a blog. Which do you guys think I should choose?

I do not think myself superior to anyone else; I view everybody as God. Bad things or good things they all appear as Krishna showing his divine love to me, teaching me lessons and guiding me. How can anyone think themselves better then God?

Thank you

Sussch · International Psionics Researcher/Author/Journalist

@Joshua3109: Thank you for bringing up this subject. I found it rather inspiring and thought-provoking.

Nice .. definitely looking forward to reading your blog/journal.

I like the idea of the journals on this site. Makes it really easy and convenient to see what's going on, in my opinion.
Though, since I had already been using a blog, I just didn't feel like moving. Used to enjoy the detachment also.

Joshua3109 · Psychokinetic Researcher

Sussch wrote:
@Joshua3109: Thank you for bringing up this subject. I found it rather inspiring and thought-provoking.

Nice .. definitely looking forward to reading your blog/journal.

I like the idea of the journals on this site. Makes it really easy and convenient to see what's going on, in my opinion.
Though, since I had already been using a blog, I just didn't feel like moving. Used to enjoy the detachment also.

I would love to speak to you more about this topic then! Ill PM you.

Yes, I think I may start one; that way when I make a book I'll have a source to pull from.

Petomai · Researcher

I personally can use a new pair of pants, mine are old and falling apart, and I have no money to buy new ones. Send your dollars my way ;)

better not actually, my karma needs balancing as it is.

Torig · Psychokinetic Researcher

I find pure work ethic seems to birth unforseen pleasant things in my life. For me pride in a work or in works seems to just distract from this. To me pure work ethic is what actually seems to birth unforseen pleasant things.

Joshua3109 · Psychokinetic Researcher

It is fine to think that way but you will gain from the good karma later on instead of right away. Let's say you help somebody move a table. Afterwards you can go on and feel great or you can go on, feel great and also say "Ok God, lets push that towards enlightenment."

It is good for you, it is good for the other person and it hurts nobody and so it is a Yogic act.

Arramu · Psionics Journalist

i see that you mentioned when you give you create a hole in space which will have to be filled. that hole can be filled with watever you want (money,power,succes,girls,etc.) and the more you create this 'holes' the more the universe will get 'used' to sending stuff to you so then you start attracting all kind of thing that you want - law of attaction. i dont know if this is true in any way. but it makes sense. i understnand now what people mean when they tell you to give. giving is just based on moral things that will make you feel better,etc. but actual thins such as law of attraction,etc.

Torig · Psychokinetic Researcher

I wanted to help an ant blankstare .

In my garage I saw an ant carrying a dead ant and felt inclined to help it get outside. I looked around for something to carry it with and found a shovel. While wholly intending to have it crawl on the shovel so I could take it outside I tripped on a shoe and the shoe fell on the ant.

Accidents suck.

I looked at it and it was deformed with the already dead ant out of its mouth on the ground.

While debating whether I should "take it out of it's misery" or not I realized biblical morality teaches that killing for anything other than food causes unnecessary suffering while buddhist morality teaches killing anything at all births unnecessary suffering.

Accidents suck.